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Was "the plan" to expel God from the Garden of Eden (Bible Thumper caucus)
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Posted on 06/16/2021 4:47:03 PM PDT by Faith Presses On

After all, Satan's bait was that Adam and Eve would become as gods. And together with Satan, that would seem to them to be at least two or possibly three gods (if Satan was believed to be a god as well) against one.


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To: Seven_0; Elsie; ShadowAce

It is interesting. Maybe it was not very appealing-looking, especially versus the Forbidden Fruit.


221 posted on 06/21/2021 11:52:34 PM PDT by Faith Presses On (Willing to die for Christ, if it's His will--politics should prepare people for the Gospel)
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To: Seven_0; Faith Presses On; Elsie
It is interesting that Adam didn’t eat from the tree of life when he had the chance.

Of course he did. He was allowed to eat from every tree in the Garden except the tree of knowledge.

Once he ate from the tree of Knowledge, then they were forced out of the Garden to prevent them from continuing to eat from the tree of Life.

However, they still had the effects from their previous meals from the tree of Life--multiple generations lived for hundreds of years.

The Tree of Life was not the Tree of Spiritual Life--that was their communion with God. The Tree of Life was physical life.

222 posted on 06/22/2021 3:38:43 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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To: Elsie
...the Requirement for Exaltation.

The Doctrine and Covenants
Section 132:63

But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified.

223 posted on 06/22/2021 4:49:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Poor Joseph!
All these women were NOT virgins when he married them.
 
 
Lucinda Pendleton Morgan HarrisMarried
Zina Diantha Huntington (Jacobs)Married 
Presendia Lathrop Huntington (Buell)Married
Agnes Moulton Coolbrith (Smith)Widowed
Sylvia Porter LyonMarried 
Mary Elizabeth Rollins LightnerMarried
Patty Bartlett (Sessions)Married
Marinda Nancy Johnson (Hyde)Married
Elizabeth Davis (Brackenbury Durfee)Married
Ruth D. Vose (Sayers)Married
 



The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132:61-62

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501 - 7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.
 

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood: "if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.


224 posted on 06/22/2021 5:10:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ShadowAce
However, they still had the effects from their previous meals from the tree of Life--multiple generations lived for hundreds of years.

Not according to Scripture:

Genesis 3:22

Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil.
Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—

225 posted on 06/22/2021 5:13:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joseph_Smith%27s_wives


226 posted on 06/22/2021 5:15:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
That phrasing can be interpreted a couple of different ways.

1. Like you have pointed out, it could be that he has not yet eaten of it.

2. The word "continue" would be understood. "lest he reach out his hand and continue to take also" I lean toward the second meaning since Revelation 22:2 indicates the Tree of Life. What would be the purpose of the Tree of Life in a setting where we are all immortal, if we have no need of it?

However, this is a minor point, and our salvation does not depend on it. Other viewpoints should not get us upset.

227 posted on 06/22/2021 5:23:19 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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To: Elsie
 As Compton has stated, for many of these marriages, "absolutely nothing is known of [the] marriage after the ceremony."[9]   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joseph_Smith%27s_wives
 
 
(That's because their place is in the home.)
 
 
Proverbs 31:10-31     
 on steroids!!!
 
How to Identify the Perfect LDS Woman, as Identified by Focus Groups in Written Surveys and Oral Discussion
 
Cultural Artifacts
Children are active in the Church
Children's artwork/trophies
Drive minivan or suburban (or BMW=Big Mormon Wagon)
Food storage
Piano
Pictures of Christ
Pictures of married daughters
Pictures of temple
Proclamation on the Family
Wooden plaques with sayings like “Love Begins at Home,” “Return With Honor,” or “As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”
Wreath on the front door that matches everyone else's because they made them in Relief Society
 
Family
Cares for home and family/has lots of kids
Children excel
Children have their jobs/chores done
Children don’t fight
Children get good grades
Confides in husband if she's sad or angry
Makes sure family reads scriptures
Drives kids around (soccer mom)
Family does everything together
Family eats dinner together
Good mother
Good wife
Helps kids with homework
Holds Family Home Evening
Home is clean but cluttered, smells like cookies or pie
Home is somewhere you want to be—feels safe, comfortable
Laundry done and folded
Lives close to extended family
 
Mother
Never yells at her children
Stay-at-home Mom
Super Mom
Throws perfect kids parties
Sings in the car
Supports husband
Well-mannered children
 
Homemaking Skills
Cans
Cleans/clean house
Cooks fabulous meals
Crochets
Cross-stitches
Decorates with homemade things
Gardens—grows lots of zucchini to share with neighbors
Knits things for humanitarian service
Makes bread
Makes breakfast/dinner
Makes cookies
Makes crafts
Makes homemade doilies
Makes jam
Quilts/ties quilts
Scrapbooks
Sews
Tole paints
Uses a tablecloth
 
Personality Traits
Bubbly
Cheerful
Compassionate
Confident
Considerate
Courageous
Creative
Dignified
Friendly
Genuine—you can tell that she really cares
Gracious
Happy
Kind
Leader
Optimistic
Organized
Patient
Proper
Reliable
Resourceful
Self-confident
Smart/educated
Trustworthy
 
Physical Characteristics
Doesn’t overeat
Dresses modestly
Exercises (e.g. speed walks around the neighborhood while pushing a stroller)
Good-looking/beautiful
Mormon mom haircut (from having 6 kids and not wanting any of them to pull it)
Well-groomed
Random Items
Attends book club
Doesn’t compete
Doesn’t swear
Explores her talents and takes her own lessons in between running her kids around
Good friend
Good neighbor
Manages money well
Never loses temper
No such thing
Plays musical instrument (esp. piano)
PTA president
Sings
Well-rounded
 
Spiritual Characteristics
Admits mistakes/doesn't have to be perfect
At peace with self
Balanced life
Charity
Christlike
Doesn't pretend to be perfect
Enduring/doesn’t complain
Forgiving
Good example
Has a testimony and shares it
Has faith
Has the heart of a child
Has a light/happy glow
Humble
Integrity
Knowledge of the gospel
Knows she is a child of God
Learns from mistakes
Loves the Lord
Loving
Makes you feel loved
Meek
Not judgmental/accepts others
Peacemaker
Sacrifices
Selfless
Spiritual
Tries to improve
Understands her role (equal with priesthood)
Virtuous/high values
Religiously Motivated Actions
Attends all church meetings
Attends temple
Does genealogy
Follows spiritual promptings
Keeps commandments/covenants
Lives her religion
Magnifies callings
Prays
Reads scriptures, and gets up early to do so
Serves others
Visiting teaching
Visits neighbors and takes them casseroles

 


228 posted on 06/22/2021 5:23:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ShadowAce; Faith Presses On; Elsie
Once he ate from the tree of Knowledge, then they were forced out of the Garden to prevent them from continuing to eat from the tree of Life.

It is eternal life. One feature of living forever is that you can do it only once. It cannot be temporary and eternal at the same time. If you ever die then you never had eternal life. If you can die then you don't have eternal life.
229 posted on 06/22/2021 5:32:31 AM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Seven_0
It is eternal life.

Does Scripture actually say that eating from that Tree once grants eternal life? Or can it be that eating from that Tree extends/renews life?

It's merely described as the Tree of Life. It's properties are actually not described.

230 posted on 06/22/2021 5:50:52 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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To: ShadowAce
It's merely described as the Tree of Life. It's properties are actually not described.

Living forever is one of its properties. All of the things are types. God designed them to help us understand spiritual things that are not seen. Death and resurrection were part of God’s plan from the beginning so Adam was restricted from the tree of life for a while. I don’t know if Adam ever ate from the tree of life, it doesn’t say. He didn’t live forever.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
The tree of life is like a shadow, the image of Christ. It is one of many pictures of Christ scattered through scripture, each giving us a different perspective of Christ. If you put them all together you will have a pretty good 3D picture of him.
231 posted on 06/22/2021 6:57:06 AM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Seven_0
I don’t know if Adam ever ate from the tree of life, it doesn’t say. He didn’t live forever.

Correct. He did, however, live a VERY long time.

The tree of life is like a shadow, the image of Christ. It is one of many pictures of Christ scattered through scripture, each giving us a different perspective of Christ. If you put them all together you will have a pretty good 3D picture of him.

Understood. My understanding of Christ, though, is that I must work constantly to be like Him. I cannot just say one day that I repent, accept Him as my Savior, then continue on with the rest of my life like nothing happened. It's not a one-shot deal.

Like that image, the Tree of Life is not a one-shot deal.

Like I mentioned to Elsie earlier, this is not a salvation issue so our opinions on this are not as important as other issues. One can choose to believe what one wants and it will not affect salvation. It should not affect our attitudes towards others.

232 posted on 06/22/2021 7:03:13 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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To: ShadowAce
Eternal life is a one shot deal. If you have it, you live forever. If you don’t live forever, you don’t have it.

My understanding of Christ, though is that I must work constantly to be like him

Christ, the author and finisher of our faith will also work constantly toward the same goal. We have an obstacle to overcome, the natural man. We are created in Adam and we are created in Christ. The natural man will work against that goal.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
This is not a salvation issue so our opinions on this are not as important as other issues.

Caution here. Everything in scripture is there because the author thought it was important. Try not to rank issues by importance.
233 posted on 06/22/2021 8:25:52 AM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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