Posted on 04/01/2021 6:46:46 PM PDT by ebb tide
I read:
“On my return from San Pietro I met someone who warned me, with great courtesy, of two things: that the Portuguese were doing their 'obedience' during the week of the Passion, and that since on this same day the visit was to San Giovanni a Porta Latina, in which church some years before certain Portuguese had formed a strange brotherhood. During the Mass there were marriages between men with the same ceremonies that we use for our weddings: they took communion together, they read the same nuptial Gospel, and then they slept and lived together The Roman experts said that since the other union of men with women was made legitimate only by the circumstance of marriage, it seemed to these good people that this other act would also become legitimate in the same way, if the rites and mysteries of the Church had authorized it.”
So already “years before” the current synod of Germany, the Lansquenets of homosexual marriage had conquered Rome, starting with its Lusitanian colony?
In fact, it seems to be so. Those "good people" thought just like the German or Austrian bishops of today, who want to bless same-sex couples in church on a par with a legitimate wedding; and Pope Francis also wants “gestures of love” for them instead of “condemnations” and “legalisms” and “moralisms.”
But then, one line further down, that chronicler notes: “Eight or nine Portuguese of that sect were burned alive.” And that time no one thought of making a mockery of the Holy Office, contrary to what is happening today.
We are in 1581. The story is taken from the “Journal de Voyage en Italie” by Michel de Montaigne, published for the first time almost two hundred years later, in 1774.
On the Roman leg of his journey, Montaigne was also received in audience by the pope, who was Gregory XIII, he of the calendar, “an old man of more than eighty years, without gout, without colic, who cares little for the affairs of the world.”
On his arrival in Rome, however, the pope’s guards immediately took scrupulous care of that learned traveler. They had turned his luggage upside down and confiscated the two volumes of the "Essays" that Montaigne had with him, his masterpiece. They would return them to him the following year. Censored.
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I owe the discovery of this tasty fragment to Giuseppe Marcenaro, who beautifully wrote about Michel de Montaigne’s “Journal de Voyage” in “Il Foglio” of Saturday March 27.
But the matter was above all the subject of an essay published in 2010 in the magazine "Quaderni Storici" entitled: "Homosexual marriages in the Rome of the late sixteenth century: on a passage from the 'Journal' of Montaigne," by Giuseppe Marcocci, professor of modern history at Oxford University, a pupil of Adriano Prosperi.
In 2015 the essay was also published in English in "Historical Reflections/Réflexions Historiques," with the title: "Is This Love? Same-Sex Marriages in Renaissance Rome."
Ping
history repeats?
Some also believe it existed in the days of Noah before the flood.
Poofter ping.
Look where it got them....
“Eight or nine Portuguese of that sect were burned alive.”
and even THAT, isn’t enough to deter them from their perversions and abomonations...
delenda est
And they were going to hell back then too.
That’s the sort of thing that fueled the Protestant Reformation
Firs thing I thought of was... And then what? Rome and its civilization fell.
Sin is still sin
No one mentioned women. They were pretty low down the social ladder. I WOOD have counted my blessings.
Even by today’s standards what the men demanded of Lot’s guests as they visited Sodom is shocking.
Those cities of the plain were not destroyed due to “lack of hospitality.” Unless that is what one calls attemped rape.
I think Biden should show the world that he is a true leader:
1. Divorce Jill
2. Marry Xi Jin Ping
Explains a lot
Yep. 👍
Why? Because there is ONE line written by a bigoted straight man in Leviticus?
The Roman Empire fell because they conquered many lands and then let the barbarians in. Just like we’re doing today.
Not because a TINY percent of the population was homoamorous.
And so, we shall also fall. Just watch.
Men have been having relations for thousands of years.
By 1581, the Roman Empire, including Byzantine Empire, was long gone. Constantinople fell in 1453.
What they’re talking about is a time when Heretics were burned at the stake.
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