Posted on 02/27/2021 1:36:09 PM PST by Cronos
And by the way, who’s mocking? I’m trying to knock some sense into your head. Salvation is the most serious of subjects.
The Word of God tells us that it is GOD WHO is in the born again. God abides in the spirit of the born again. God cannot sin so the born again spirit remains sinless until GOD pairs that spirit with a new body and behavior mechanism, in the Departure of The Body of Christ.
So born againers CANNOT sin as humans on this earth? IS THAT YOUR FINAL ANSWER???
Why don’t you ping all your buddies again so they can help get you out of the hole you dug for yourself?
(Iscool; metmom; imardmd1; Elsie; aMorePerfectUnion; boatbums; caww; SouthernClaire; daniel1212;Roman-War-Criminal;), etc...
Working your way to the lake of fire is indeed extremely serious. Just keep depending upon your work to obtain and or retain and you will find out just how serious Salvation by faith alone in Christ alone really is.
So far, you exhibit a determination to reject salvation by faith alone in Christ alone, playing a game of saved by you must work to retain that which you could not do to start with.
That 'grace plus' lie, THAT is the deep deception in grained by your seventh day Adventist cult. It makes you incapable of seeing that your profession is a lie; ONLY faith brings God's work on your behalf. Reject His means to Salvation and there is not one single or any multiples of any works which will prevent you being plunged into the lake of fire at the beginning of the millennium.
You won't even make it to the Great White Throne of Judgment at the end of the millennium if you keep rejecting the Gospel of Grace alone by faith alone in Christ alone.
Because we are not interested in wasting our time on your hypothetical gothcha questions.
If you were to display any genuine, sincere interest in knowing the truth, there’d be plenty of answers.
Works, commandments, law, obedience are anathema to you, aren’t they? You are a scoffer. I guess your faith is a dead faith.
14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Because we are not interested in wasting our time on your hypothetical gothcha questions.
Gotcha questions??? IT’S A DOCTRINAL QUESTION. (It’s not like I’m asking you why you’re posting on FR on the Sabbath or anything like that)
If you were to display any genuine, sincere interest in knowing the truth, there’d be plenty of answers.
Who’s truth? God’s or yours?
......” Your eternal salvation and God’s reward has then been decided based on your life and WORKS”.......
Then why did Jesus have to suffer and die?
MHGinTN: “Sin is for unsaved suckers. I’ve got the Holy Spirit in me and I can’t sin” (I’m paraphrasing, of course)
Amen, MHG.
I have to admit that it’s kind of frightening to read some of the posts on this thread. The very eternal salvation of people’s souls is at stake and no one seems to be able to penetrate the wall of some kind of salvation by works which is absolutely contrary to God’s plan of salvation by grace. There is no other plan for us unless some are hoping to make it through the great tribulation and then keep all the commandments. I wouldn’t attempt it nor advise it.
We've already answered that question...Perhaps it's the wrong question...Maybe the right question is: What penalty does the born again Christian pay for sin...Which begs the question; do you mean the penalty on Earth or in Heaven...And, in the flesh or in the Spirit...
And, I flat out told you that EVERYONE will be judged by my law, whether you keep it or not. It was right there in Romans. How could you have missed it?
And you were wrong...
We didn't miss it...We just kept reading after you stopped...
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
So that's you...This is us::::
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Can that be any more clear??? God did a switcheroo....
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Why do people join a religion where you have to leave out half the bible in order for the religion to work???
Then why did Jesus have to suffer and die?
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
“So the author of the law, the Son of God, had to die because His Law could not be changed. It stands eternal, forever, the law of liberty and righteousness, the very character of God put in words. By dying in our place, He has offered His perfection, His ability to keep the Law of God perfectly, to you a sinner. The demands of the Law of God are met, paid for in full. By believing on Jesus Christ in this matter, you can put on His robe of Righteousness and God will consider you to be perfect, a keeper of the Law, fit to live with Him forever!”
Sound reasonable? It’s from this short article “Who was Jesus Christ and why did He have to Die?”: I would encourage you to read it. But, keep in mind the person linking it (me) is a scary SDA CULTIST, WORSHIPER OF THE WHITE QUEEN, SPAWN OF SATAN, LIAR, DECEIVER, WORKER OF INIQUITY, WARLOCK, CASTER OF SPELLS, DEGENERATE, DEVOID OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, MOUSE SQUASHER, DENIAR OF THE TRUE RESTRAINER OF THE ANTICHRIST, and a bunch of other bad stuff.....according to MHGinTN. I just wanted you to be aware.
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/gospel.htm
MHG, DON’T read this this link.....(Satan, Satan, Satan, evil, cultist, White Queen, 666) don’t do it.
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/gospel.htm
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/gospel.htm
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/gospel.htm
Just kidding. It’s good reading and it will do you some good.
So that’s you...This is us::::
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. That justification is by faith clearly implies that justification is no
mere impersonal adjustment of a man’s legal status in the sight of God. Faith in Christ
involves a personal relationship with the Redeemer. It implies an attitude of love and
gratitude toward the Saviour in response to His love for us sinners. It is based on
profound admiration of Jesus for all that He is, with a sincere desire to know Him better
and become like Him. It means a trust and confidence in Christ that is so entirely without
reservation that we are willing to take Him fully at His word and follow His directions
wherever He may lead.
Without such faith there can be no justification. God is not concerned merely with
forgiving past sins. He is primarily concerned with man’s restoration, and restoration can
be experienced only by means of such faith in Jesus Christ. Therefore, justification
cannot be separated from the transforming experiences of conversion, rebirth, and
subsequent growth in sanctification. Only the faith that gladly accepts and willingly
enters into every phase of God’s program for our restoration can rightfully claim the
imputed righteousness of Christ in justification (see on v. 22; chs. 4:25; 5:1).
WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW. Literally, “without works of law.” In the Greek, “law”
stands without the article (see on ch. 2:12). The meaning of this phrase is clear in the
context of the whole chapter. The basis of every false religious system has been the
mistaken idea that justification could be obtained by obedience to law. But works of law
cannot atone for past sins. Justification cannot be earned. It can only be received by faith
in the atoning sacrifice of Christ. Therefore, in this sense, works of law have nothing to
do with justification. To be justified without there being anything in ourselves to merit
justification.
This, of course, may not be construed to mean that the man who has been justified is
thereby freed from obeying the law or from performing good works. The faith by which
he has been justified will reveal itself in obedience. Paul repeatedly emphasizes the place of good works in the life of the Christian (1 Tim. 5:10; 6:18; 2 Tim. 3:17; Titus 2:7, 14;
3:8; etc.). But he makes it equally clear that these good works do not earn justification
(see Rom. 4:2, 6; 9:32; 11:6; Gal. 2:16; 3:2, 5, 10; Eph. 2:9; 2 Tim. 1:9).
Why do people join a religion where you have to leave out half the bible in order for the religion to work???
Why do people join a bible based religion and believe crazy, non doctrinal garbage and call it God’s word? (I say to you)
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Made free from the “bondage” of sin. The bondage that originally condemned you to eternal death.
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
So that’s you...
Yep, this is me and not you (the Jews represent you)
13. NOT THE HEARERS. The Jews had opportunity to hear the law read regularly in the
synagogues (Acts 15:21). But they had come to suppose that theoretical knowledge of the
law in itself constituted righteousness. They did not seem to recognize the necessity of
perfect and perpetual obedience. Jesus rebuked the Jews for this attitude toward the Word
of God. “You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life;
… yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life” (John 5:39, 40, RSV; cf. DA
211). “The Jews had the Scriptures in their possession, and supposed that in their mere
outward knowledge of the word they had eternal life” (DA 212). This same mistaken
view that knowledge alone brings righteousness and salvation is still current among Jews,
and Christians, today. That God’s will must not only be known but obeyed is also taught
in Matt. 7:21, 24; Luke 6:47–49; James 1:22.
OF THE LAW. Literally, “of law.” The article “the” is absent in the Greek. Those who
have a law to which they may listen and by which they may be guided should be obedient
to it, if they wish to be “justified” in the judgment. The context indicates that as far as the Jews are concerned Paul is still alluding to the standard of moral conduct available to
them, the standard revealed in the OT and especially in the Ten Commandments.
JUSTIFIED. Or, “accounted righteous,” “declared righteous.” Paul is still contrasting the
position in the judgment of those who know the will of God, and yet are unwilling to
obey it, with the position of those who not only know God’s will but give it their full
compliance. That such obedience can come only from faith has already been mentioned
in the epistle (ch. 1:5, 17; cf. ch. 3:20). This verse gives further emphasis to the fact that
men are judged, not by what they claim to know or profess to be, but by what they have
actually done (ch. 2:6).
There is no other plan for us unless some are hoping to make it through the great tribulation and then keep all the commandments. I wouldn’t attempt it nor advise it.
Revelation 14
9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
“For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV
What do you think "people" have been doing all this time??? Just because someone doesn't agree with you or say what you want to hear doesn't mean nobody is giving a straight answer.
When Paul so clearly explained the struggle he had with sin and the internal battle between the old and new natures in Romans chapter 7, after he had been a Christian for 25 years, he was NOT excusing sin, passing the buck, rationalizing or ignoring the process of sanctification in a believer's life. But he consistently affirmed that our good works or obedience don't contribute one iota to our salvation. It is wholly and completely by the grace of God, the GIFT of God, which He gives to us through faith ALONE. You don't "do" something to earn God's gift and you can't do anything to keep it since that's the same thing as earning it. It is hardly getting a "free pass". That cheapens Christ's sacrifice and mocks God's grace. God's way means HE gets ALL the glory, we have nothing to boast of - for anything.
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