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Societal Characteristics of the Last Days: Part 1
RR ^ | 11/28/20 | Mark A. Beck

Posted on 12/08/2020 10:38:42 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come” (2 Timothy 3:1).

“For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, …” (2 Timothy 3:2).

Introduction

This series is a study examining the societal characteristics of the last days that Paul wrote about in 2 Timothy 3.

Initially, this four-part series was basically an outline to aid in the teaching of these passages. There’s really nothing earth-shaking or groundbreaking found within this study – at least for the educated believer. We know these verses very well and have been witnessing this prophecy coming to fruition on a yearly, monthly, and daily basis.

But I did want to share this study with the reader, as the definitions of the Greek words Paul used are very helpful, useful, and sometimes eye-opening. In sharing this series, I hope and pray it will be used as a tool for teaching on this subject and shared with unbelievers, that they may see what we so clearly see.

Basically, I’m listing the English words with their original Greek counterparts, noting their primary definitions, citing Scripture for practical application, and relating these societal characteristics with current events and trends in an effort to demonstrate that these prophecies for the last days are being fulfilled before our very eyes.

For Men Shall Be Lovers of Their Own Selves

The Greek word for “lovers of their own selves” is 5367 phílautos (an adjective, derived from 5384/phílos, “lover” and 846/autós, “of self”) – properly, a lover of self, describing someone preoccupied with their own selfish desires (self-interests). [All definitions from Biblehub.com]

The world has been telling us that the reason mankind has problems in life is because men and women have a natural tendency to dislike themselves.

Is this true? What does the Bible say?

“Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves” (Philippians 2:3).

The pseudo-sciences of Psychology and Psychiatry, popularized by God-denying, Christ-rejecting men such as Freud, Jung, Maslow, and others have played a major role in perpetuating the lie that men lack “self-esteem” and “self-love.” This is the only profession that claims to cure the disease that itself has created. (For more information on this subject, I highly recommend Psychology and the Church by T.A. McMahon and Dave Hunt, articles at thebereancall.org, and books by Dr. Martin and Deidre Bobgan.)

Unfortunately, this humanistic man-centered lie has infiltrated the church at an alarming rate. We even have churches that employ secular psychologists and psychiatrists on their staff.

Other churches, in an effort to “help” their congregations – yet seeing a contradiction – have resorted to employing so-called “Christian psychologists” or “Christian counselors” who are steeped in the pseudo-sciences of humanistic Psychology and Psychiatry and are promoting these teachings that are contrary to the Bible. All of this is done in an effort to heighten the laity’s self-esteem and self-love. This endeavor should be considered the purest form of “antithetical Christian behavior.”

We, as Christians, have the Holy Spirit, Whom Jesus called The Comforter. He is the only One that should be counseling the believer. As Jesus told His disciples:

“… I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you” (John 14:16-17).

Jesus, Himself, was prophesied to be the “Wonderful Counselor”:

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6).

Whatever happened to good old-fashioned fellowship and sharing in the sufferings of the brotherhood?

“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin” (1 John 1:7).

“Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another” (Romans 12:10).

Man, according to Scripture, has never had a problem loving himself. In fact, it is this self-love that is the problem. The sin of selfishness is probably the most easily seen of all sin and the first to rise in the human heart. Just consider the toddler and his favorite new word, “Mine!”

It’s no surprise that this characteristic is so prevalent in secular society, but, sadly, this state of loving one’s self is just as pervasive in the professing church.

Here’s the church’s remedy for self-love:

“Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me” (Matthew 16:24).

For Men Shall Be… Covetous

The Greek word for “covetous” is 5366 philárgyros (from 5384/phílos, “lover” and 696/árgyros, “of silver”) – properly, a lover of money (literally, silver) – i.e., someone (literally) “in love with personal gain (having money).”

“Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s” (Exodus 20:17).

“And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man’s life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth” (Luke 12:15).

Modern-day political words that come to mind when we think of covetousness are Socialism, Marxism, wealth redistribution, and reparations. A legendary tale’s mantra is, “Take from the rich and give to the poor.”

“But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows” (1 Timothy 6:6-10).

There are three words that seem to inspire the world in their unhealthy pursuit of “happiness”: Power, fame, and fortune; and the devil is only too happy to provide if it suits his purposes.

Everybody wants what everybody else has and won’t be satisfied, so they think, until they have it all. We, as a fallen people, are never content without God – it’s impossible. We have to have more! “Give me, give me, give me! Take, take, take!” For what?

“For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?” (Mark 8:36).

For the disciple of Christ, we should proclaim with Paul that we have

“… learned, in whatsoever state [we are], therewith to be content” (Philippians 4:11b).

The one sin that plagues all of mankind, without fail and never satisfies, is the sin of covetousness. It most certainly is prevalent in all societies and is ramping-up in these last days.

For the believer, is a command with a promise:

“Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee” (Hebrews 13:5).

For Men Shall Be… Boasters

The Greek word for “boasters” is 213 alazṓn (a masculine noun) – properly, a wandering vagrant (vagabond), boasting to anyone who is foolish enough to take him seriously! This kind of person claims many things he can’t really do, so he must always keep moving on to new, naive listeners. [As a masculine noun, 213 (alazṓn) tends to focus on the source of the empty boasting, i.e., the sinful arrogance that drives it.]

“Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall” (Proverbs 16:18).

The culture of the United States is a cesspool of boasting. From exalted entertainers and sports figures to the elite corporate and social media tycoons and political talking heads. Those in the upper echelons of public life are as arrogant as they come.

Consider the rulers of other nations; how they boast of their newest weapons, luxury palaces, and the power they wield.

How’s your circle of influence and observations concerning this character trait? Is it as prevalent in your sphere as it is in my everyday walk in this world?

Everybody was, and is, the best athlete. Everybody was, and is, the most popular. Everybody is the smartest and most qualified. Whenever one is passed over for a job promotion, it isn’t because they didn’t deserve it – in fact, they more than deserved it – they just have an idiot for a boss. And it goes on and on and on.

As Christians, we should all declare:

“My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad” (Psalm 34:2).

Do we see arrogant boasting in our society from the top-down today, and does it seem to be intensifying? I’d say it would be an exception for one not to acknowledge this trend.

For Men Shall Be… Proud

The Greek word for “proud” is 5244 hyperḗphanos (from 5228/hypér, “beyond, over” and 5316/phaínō, “shine forth”) – properly, over-shine, trying to be more than what God directs, i.e., going beyond the faith He imparts (cf. Ro 12:2,3).

“Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!” (Isaiah 5:21).

The fall of Satan was contingent on, and instigated in, his self-deluded pride; and the father of pride has seduced mankind with the same mindset and empty promises.

Pride inevitably leads to boasting. It seems you can’t have one without the other. This most certainly appears to be why the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to use these two societal characteristics side-by-side.

“For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world” (1 John 2:16).

If we see boasting so widespread in our day like we do, then we most certainly can say we have the market cornered by the pride that fuels such boasting.

For the Christian:

“Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips” (Proverbs 27:2).

For Men Shall Be… Blasphemers

The Greek word for “blasphemers” is 989blásphēmos – what is blasphemous (reverses spiritual and moral realities). See 987 (blasphēmeō). 987 blasphēméō (from blax, “sluggish, slow” and 5345/phḗmē, “reputation, fame”) – properly, refusing to acknowledge good (worthy of respect, veneration); hence, to blaspheme which reverses moral values.

“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” (Isaiah 5:20).

Isaiah’s statement of prophecy is fulfilled in a radical way in these end-times. With the obvious exception of the pre-flood world, the reversal of moral values is a plague on society and has never been so prevalent as it is in these last days. What once was considered taboo is now not only accepted, it is encouraged and celebrated. We, as a society, are virtually having a party for evil and have buried in death all that is righteous, holy, and good.

Observation makes this characteristic crystal clear for anyone with eyes to see. Just pick up the newspaper and keep up on the new “social” laws and the protections of deviant behavior passed by the world’s governments.

Notice also that we have a set of laws for the populace that is never heeded by those who write those laws, as lawlessness rules our day.

The world has rejected the good and embraced the evil. It’s hard to believe it will get worse, but it most certainly will.

For us who are called by the Name of the Lord, we should…

“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Thessalonians 5:21-23).

For Men Shall Be… Disobedient to Parents

The Greek word for “disobedient” is 545 apeithḗs (an adjective) – literally, unwilling to be persuaded (by God), which shows itself in outward disobedience (outward spiritual rebellion); disobedient because unpersuaded. 545/apeithḗs (“unpersuaded”) begins with the decision to reject what God prefers, with His offer to persuade about His preferred-will (cf. 2307/thélēma). See 543 (apeitheia). [Note the root, 3982/peíthō (“persuade”).]

Any visit to a grocery store, and one could very well see this characteristic play out, in real time, with a teenager (or even a pre-teen) screaming and cursing out his or her mother. The words coming from that child’s mouth would make a sailor blush. But this is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg concerning this characteristic trait.

“The eye that mocketh at his father, and despiseth to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it” (Proverbs 30:17).

Most certainly, the Holy Spirit is grieved by how we, as a people, have disrespected, disregarded, and discarded our parents in their senior years as a collective society. We consider those we ship off to nursing homes – never to be visited by their loved ones again – the lucky of the lot. How infuriating!

Whether they were lovely or something to be desired, we have a command to honor them, and we would be well-served to do just that.

“Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee” (Exodus 20:12).

It truly is heartbreaking at what the offspring can do to those who brought them into the world and supplied their needs. This is a condition that has a trickle-down effect on society, and we are seeing the rotten fruit of that tree today.

Paul summarized this commandment this way:

“Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise; That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth” (Ephesians 6:1-3).

For Men Shall Be… Unthankful

The Greek word for “unthankful” is 884 axáristos (an adjective, derived from 1/A “not” and 5483/xarízomai, “experiencing grace“) – properly, without God’s grace (favor) which results in unthankfulness (literally, “ungraceful”).

This is an interesting definition and seems to suggest a circular reciprocity that, in most cases, never ends. God grants His grace and favor to man, and man tends to become unthankful. When God’s grace and favor are withheld (for whatever reason God deems necessary), then man becomes that much more unthankful. Man is just outright unthankful – regardless of favor and grace, or not.

It would also seem that this perpetual condition, most obviously, is a result of learned behavior in the home.

Mom and Dad give the child grace and favor; the child becomes spoiled and expects, then neglects, these gifts in unthankfulness. As punishment, Mom and Dad revoke said grace and favor, and… Well, I think you get the idea.

It seems it all comes down to that strong human sense of entitlement.

“Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him” (Proverbs 22:15).

We often think of unthankfulness as a childlike quality, and indeed spoiled children bring about spoiled fruit in the lives of those children if not corrected by a loving parent. But, unfortunately, the rod of discipline has been taken from our society, and we see the repercussions of this as those same children have grown up.

Honestly, it is a rarity these days to find one who is thankful. Unthankfulness goes hand in hand with covetousness, and they work their darkened “magic” together to the detriment of society’s spiritual and moral health. No wonder God withdraws His grace and favor.

Once one covets anything from an evil and unnatural desire – then receives what he or she has coveted – are they thankful? Of course not. Things desired and received by force, or even as a gift, are rarely respected and appreciated. Why? Because the deceitful and wicked human heart is never satisfied and demands “More! More! More!”

Isaiah, speaking of Israel’s useless watchmen leaders, sums up this perverse characteristic this way:

“Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter” (Isaiah 56:11).

For those of us who have given our lives to the Creator and Savior of our souls, we…

“Rejoice evermore. Pray without ceasing. In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning [us]” (1 Thessalonians 5:16-18).

Conclusion

For those with a keen eye, we will be starting our examination in Part 2 with “Unholy.” The reason I didn’t include that characteristic in Part 1 is because I wanted to make an obvious point with the characteristics we just studied: They are all about self.

“Lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful” – are all about self.

The remedy for the believer is to deny one’s self, as noted above:

“Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me” (Matthew 16:24).

The self-worship, which we all are prone to, is what keeps us from ever focusing our attention on others, and most importantly, on our Creator and Savior, Jesus Christ. We must put off “self” and put on Christ:

“But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof” (Romans 13:14).

Love, grace, mercy, and shalom in Messiah Yeshua, and Maranatha!


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To: SouthernClaire
olive tree
17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the [j]rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 See then the kindness and severity of God: to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; for otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in; for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?
This is repudiating your concept of a separate gentile and a separate "jewish" church - there is ONE olive tree - God's family, the church.

Gentiles are GRAFTED on to the tree. There is no separate Gentile tree and Jewish tree, but one

In fact read a bit earlier - verse 7 What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but [f]those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened - those who were chosen obtained it -- namely that this is about the Jewish Messiah, Jesus

61 posted on 12/14/2020 4:19:28 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: SouthernClaire
olive tree
17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the [j]rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 See then the kindness and severity of God: to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; for otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in; for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?
This is repudiating your concept of a separate gentile and a separate "jewish" church - there is ONE olive tree - God's family, the church.

Gentiles are GRAFTED on to the tree. There is no separate Gentile tree and Jewish tree, but one

In fact read a bit earlier - verse 7 What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but [f]those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened - those who were chosen obtained it -- namely that this is about the Jewish Messiah, Jesus

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Let's look at the Olive tree in the OT

Is 17:6 - talking of the Olive tree being shaken by the Babylonian capture

Jer 11:16 - the Lord has named Israel a green Olive tree that He set fire to and whose branches are worthless

62 posted on 12/14/2020 5:28:24 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: SouthernClaire
I would also suggest today's gospel

Gospel

Jesus said to the chief priests and the elders of the people:
“What is your opinion?
A man had two sons.
He came to the first and said,
‘Son, go out and work in the vineyard today.’
The son said in reply, ‘I will not,’
but afterwards he changed his mind and went.
The man came to the other son and gave the same order.
He said in reply, ‘Yes, sir,’ but did not go.
Which of the two did his father’s will?”
They answered, “The first.”
Jesus said to them, “Amen, I say to you,
tax collectors and prostitutes
are entering the Kingdom of God before you.
When John came to you in the way of righteousness,
you did not believe him;
but tax collectors and prostitutes did.
Yet even when you saw that,
you did not later change your minds and believe him.”

This shows that the kingdom was to be moved from exclusively One nation to the world

The first son was the Gentile people, the second the Jews, since from the time of Noah there had been Gentiles. And he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. To day, i. e. during this age. He spoke with him, not face to face as man, but to his heart as God, instilling understanding through the senses. To work in the vineyard is to do righteousness

when, at the coming of the Saviour, the Gentile people, having done penitence, laboured in God’s vineyard, and atoned by their labour for the obstinacy of their refusal, this is what is said, But afterward he repented, and went.

63 posted on 12/15/2020 12:49:50 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: Cronos

You cannot be serious.


64 posted on 12/15/2020 2:59:32 AM PST by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: SouthernClaire
I am 100% serious. And more so, this belief that

  1. God's family expanded from a man (Abraham) to a family (isaac, Jacob) to a nation (Israel) to the world

  2. That the kingdom is of all humanity

These beliefs are from the 1st century of Christianity

Before 21:28-32 you have Jesus' authority challenged from the Sanhedrin elders

Then after that, the parable of the landowner

33 “Listen to another parable. There was a [n]landowner who planted a vineyard and put a [o]fence around it, and dug a wine press in it, and built a tower, and he leased it to [p]vine-growers and went on a journey. 34 And when the [q]harvest time approached, he sent his slaves to the vine-growers to receive his fruit. 35 And the vine-growers took his slaves and beat one, killed another, and stoned another. 36 Again, he sent other slaves, more than the first; and they did the same things to them. 37 But afterward he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 But when the vine-growers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir; come, let’s kill him and take possession of his inheritance!’ 39 And they took him and threw him out of the vineyard, and killed him. 40 Therefore, when the [r]owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?” 41 They *said to Him, “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end and lease the vineyard to other vine-growers, who will pay him the fruit in the proper seasons.”
Again the same - the vineyard is the Kingdom of Heaven. The people of ISrael killed the heir and so the kingdom is given to other vine-growers

This is glaringly apparent in Matt 21:43-44

43 Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a [t]people producing its fruit. 44 And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and on whomever it falls, it will crush him.”

65 posted on 12/15/2020 7:19:13 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: Cronos

Seems you are insistent to cram the church into places it doesn’t belong. It can’t be done logically. Please see Gill on the parable, and the USCCB definition of the vineyard below. Is USCCB wrong again, Cronos?

Matthew 21:28

But what think you?

&c.] (See Gill on Matthew 18:12)

a certain man had two sons.
This is a parable; the design of which is to show the hypocrisy and deceit of the Scribes and Pharisees, in pretending to works of righteousness, and not doing them; and to reprove them for their disbelief and rejection of John’s ministry; and to make it appear, that the worst of sinners in the Jewish nation were preferable to them; and that many of them were, and would be, happy, when they would be miserable. By the “certain man”, in the parable, God is designed; who, though he is not a man, nor to be represented by any human form; yet, as man is the image of God, he is therefore, in an improper and figurative sense, compared to man, and set forth by him; which may be allowed in a metaphorical and parabolical way: and though the Son of God only assumed human nature, and really became man; yet God, the Father, seems rather to be here intended, who is sometimes compared to a husbandman and a vinedresser; see ( John 15:1 John 15:2 ) and as appears from the relation of the “two sons” unto him; by whom are meant not Jews and Gentiles; for the latter can never be intended by the first son; for these were not sons in such sense as the Jews were, nor were upon an equal foot of sonship with them, as the parable supposes; much less were they called first, and bid to work in the vineyard: but, on the contrary John the Baptist, Christ, and his apostles, were first, and only sent to the Jews; and God, as yet, was not come even in the external ministry of the word to the Gentiles; nor were they brought to repentance and obedience: but by them are meant two sorts of people, among the Jews, the Scribes and Pharisees, and publicans and sinners; as the application of the parable, by our Lord himself, most clearly shows: these were both the sons of God; not only by creation, as all men are, all having, in this sense, but one common father, whose offspring they be; but also by national adoption; for to all, who were Israelites, according to the flesh, whether good men, or bad men, alike belonged the general privilege of adoption, ( Romans 9:4 ) . This publicans and sinners had an equal right to, as well as the Scribes and Pharisees, though they were not all the sons of God by special grace, or spiritual adoption:

and he came to the first;the publicans and sinners among the Jews, by the ministry of John the Baptist, Christ, and his disciples, who first and chiefly preached to such sort of persons;

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/matthew-21-28.html

[21:33] Planted a vineyard…a tower: cf. Is 5:1–2. The vineyard is defined in Is 5:7 as “the house of Israel.” https://bible.usccb.org/bible/matthew/21?28


66 posted on 12/15/2020 8:48:36 AM PST by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: Cronos

From your post this morning:

PSEUDO-CHRYSOSTOM

But in this exposition which we have set forth according to the mind of many interpreters, there seems to me something inconsistent. For if by the two sons are to be understood the Jews and Gentiles, as soon as the Priests had answered that it was the first son that did his father’s will, then Christ should have concluded His parable with these words, Verily I say unto you, that the Gentiles shall go into the kingdom of God before you. But He says, The Publicans and harlots, a class rather of Jews than of Gentiles.


67 posted on 12/15/2020 9:33:23 AM PST by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: SouthernClaire

Note - it’s not me that insistent - it is Jesus, Paul, Peter and John who insist that God’s bride, the Church, i.e. the community, the ecclesia of believers is the New israel.

The sermon you posted completely forgets what comes BEFORE and AFTER Matthew 21:28

BEFORE —
1. Jesus cleans out the temple
2. Jesus points out the barren fig tree - Israel
3. Jesus’ authority is challenged by the chief priests and elders

Jesus then says to them the parable of the two sons - one who says NO but then regrets and does it and one who says YES but doesn’t do it

AFTER
1. the parable of the landowner who keeps asking the renters to receive His fruit, but they then murder His son, so the land-owners says he will lease the vineyard to OTHER vine-growers
2. The parable of the wedding feast where again the invited don’t come so outsiders are invited.

All of these make the perfect sense that the inheritance of Israel, the kingdom of Heaven, was rejected by Israel, so is given to “others” and yet LATER Jesus then talks of Jerusalem destroyed, then he talks of waiting (10 virgins) for Him and also using that time (the talents)

This is very clear right from Matthew 15:26 that the family of God is being extended, that Israel is being extended


68 posted on 12/15/2020 7:25:18 PM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: Cronos

[21:33] Planted a vineyard…a tower: cf. Is 5:1–2. The vineyard is defined in Is 5:7 as “the house of Israel.” https://bible.usccb.org/bible/matthew/21?28

Agree or disagree, Cronos?


69 posted on 12/15/2020 7:36:05 PM PST by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: Cronos

PSEUDO-CHRYSOSTOM: But He says, The Publicans and harlots, a class rather of Jews than of Gentiles.

Agree or disagree?

(Trying to understand you, Cronos.)


70 posted on 12/15/2020 7:38:52 PM PST by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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The house of Israel — that’s not the people of Israel, nor the earthly kingdom of Israel. That, the vineyard is clearly the Kingdom of heaven. Israel had the chance for that, but just as Revelation points out, Israel had whored itself and was lost, burnt by the beast it rode (the Roman empire)


71 posted on 12/15/2020 9:09:00 PM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: SouthernClaire

That’s Pseudo-Chrysostom’s interpretation — and he goes on to say “The Lord abundantly confirms their decision, whence it follows, Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, that the publicans and harlots shall go before you in the kingdom of God; as much as to say, Not only the Gentiles are before you, but even the publicans and the harlots.”

I suppose that the publicans here are to represent all sinful men, and the harlots all sinful women; because avarice is found the most prevailing vice among men, and fornication among women. For a woman’s life is passed in idleness and seclusion, which are great temptations to that sin, while a man, constantly occupied in various active duties, falls readily into the snare of covetousness, and not so commonly into fornication, as the anxieties of manly cares preclude thoughts of pleasure, which engage rather the young and idle. Then follows the reason of what He had said, For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not.

To put it simply - Jesus in Matthew continually tells the children of Israel that they should accept the kingdom of God otherwise it will be taken away. Then He moves on to how His ministry is not to destroy the law but fulfil it and how even “the dogs” can have faith and finally He ends with the injunction to spread His word among the nations.

This is God’s family extending out to include more and more people


72 posted on 12/15/2020 9:11:25 PM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: Cronos

Color Claire curios, Cronos.

Were you “born into” Catholicism or did you join yourself to it later in life?


73 posted on 12/16/2020 4:18:43 AM PST by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: Cronos

Do you believe that Israel is the apple of God’s eye?


74 posted on 12/16/2020 4:21:50 AM PST by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: Cronos

So, you disagree?


75 posted on 12/16/2020 4:42:07 AM PST by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: SouthernClaire

I rejoined it after first being agnostic, then spending flirting time in the Assemblies of God, Baptist and then after learning about both of what these taught was utterly contradictory to the bible and history, I moved to atheism before reading the Bible in more detail again and comparing with the early christian beliefs and that brought me back to the Church.

Based on the various canonical books, church history and secular history it is clear that Catholicism or Orthodoxy are the only Christian faith along with the Oriental Orthodox and Assyrian churches.

The pre-tribulation rapture philosophy I spent a lot of time looking into this firstly just by the books of the Bible - whether Daniel or Matthew/Luke/Mark or the Epistles or Revelation and it rings false. Then looking at the historical details around the 1st century, this philosophy was proved doubly false. Finally, looking up the history of this philosophy it is apparent that the pre-tribulation rapture arose out of the same con-man group that led to mormons, Millerites, Jehovah’s witnesses.


76 posted on 12/16/2020 4:42:49 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: Cronos

Thanks for explaining so well, Cronos.


77 posted on 12/16/2020 4:46:09 AM PST by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: SouthernClaire

Firstly let me say that Israel has a right to that land - I see that they treat Middle Eastern Christians well and that’s good.

Secondly, Israel WAS the apple of God’s eye definitely God sent his prophets repeatedly and warned Israel, and when Israel was divided in half, of course between the southern and northern half, Judah, and then what became known as Israel Ephraim, God warned them through the prophets again and again, and ultimately sent foreign invaders in to deport them.

In Zachariah 2:8, when God says, “You are the apple of my eye.” That’s not said in a vacuum. It’s said within the context of other verses. It’s said within the context of Zachariah chapter two

Zechariah is a prophet around the time of Shahenshah Darius the great BEFORE the temple is fully rebuilt.

Then 12 And the Lord will [e]possess Judah as His portion in the holy land, and will again choose Jerusalem.

And this is about Jesus - or you can say even the time of the Maccabean dynasty

Zechariah prophesied about the same time as Haggai, when after returning from exile in 593, the people had still not rebuilt the temple. Only about 50, 000 returned. From Ezra 2. 36-39 we see that out of the 24 orders of priests, representatives of only four had returned. Only 74 Levites and 392 temple servants came back: Ezra 2. 40, 58.

I would suggest that you read the Talmud - the Babylonian talmud and it will tell you a lot about this time. A book to start with is “Talmud: a brief history”

As to “the apple of his eye”, it would refer to God’s eye, what is dear to Him (the expression, apple of eye, is found only here in all the Old Testament).

WHY is Israel the apple of God’s eye? it’s because of Abraham-Isaac=Jacob’s lineage

So we find this in the book of revelation that God’s family has widened. We have Abraham as the spiritual father of all Christians.

So now the apple of God’s eye is the new Israel - Christianity


78 posted on 12/16/2020 5:05:20 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: SouthernClaire

The thing about Catholicism is that if one just looks at superficial one gets caught with the gotchas like “call no man father” or “Easter eostre” and yet if one looks into it deeper, the many statements against the church turn out the same way - half-knowledge.

I love to repeat how silly the “Easter is a pagan festival derived from Eostre, a pagan goddess”

If you dig into that you find that the only. Yes, the ONLY. reference to a goddess “Eostre” is in the 7th century by a Christian monk Bede who guesses about this goddess. England had been Christian for centuries, so he’s making a guess.

There is no mention of Eostre in any anglo-saxon or Germanic written or oral myth or fragment. you have tons of mentions of Tiw, Woden etc. but no Eostre.

In fact the name seems derived from the Germanic word for “East” as Pascha happens in spring.

Now the second point that many evangelicals in the USA fail at is realizing that English is a limited language - and that there are other languages — Easter is only in English and in German, while other languages have a form of Pasqua, Passover even Dutch and Swedish (both Germanic languages) except polski which calls it Wielkanoc (great night)

The same flaws (historical, linguistic and bibilically unsound) I see in many “evangelical” viewpoints (a side-note, in Central Europe “evangelical” is a term used by Lutherans and the Reformed church :) while the American “Evangelicals” are called “green shoots movement”


79 posted on 12/16/2020 5:12:48 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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Regarding Easter and Christmas, I traveled that path long ago. It’s not an issue for me, but I do understand people’s unease when they first learn about them and how the Jewishness has been stripped by religious organizations for their own selfish motives. Like the lie of Jesus’ birth on December 25. Can’t hardly blame them for wanting to learn the truth about it. They are seeking to know more about Christ Jesus and, for that, one should not ever shake the finger at them. Having that tender conscience before God is precious. We should ever extend grace to those who are learning about God and never be puffed up enough to think that they are somehow lower in station. God forbid.

The greater issue is the replacement of Israel by some which puts God Almighty in the blasphemous position of making promises that He won’t fulfill. I would hope you agree.

On the Babylonian Talmud, I’ve still got it on my bookshelf and appreciate the reminder to chuck the damn thing in the garbage where it belongs. Read it years ago as a new Christian searching for answers. As you already are aware, I didn’t find what I was looking for in the Talmud. It took me a couple or few years of exploring to finally make my way to Scripture alone. God’s word can’t lie, but men can and do. When people go out of the Word and start making their own religion based on their own self-serving opinions, there will be trouble and many lost souls. I want no part of it.

The repugnant arrogance of some I’ve witnessed against anyone not in their clique is appalling. Noses stuck up a mile high at everyone who doesn’t bow to their organization’s beliefs which are based on nothing but the whimsical, unfounded and delusional opinions of man. Mohammed did much the same. They seem to think that God is subservient to their man-made religion. They are filled with the snotty notion that they hold salvation in the palm of their own puny hands and that God must cave to their opinions. At the judgment, they can tell Jesus to move over because now there’s two of ‘em.

And if I had a nickel for every time I’ve read that the Catholic organization is the only way to get saved, I’d be a millionaire. Again, the puffed up arrogance. I can’t imagine having to give account for it. But doesn’t it (Catholicism) teach that Muslims are going to Heaven? Weird, to say the very, very, very least. I wish too that I had a nickel for every time I read that Peter is somehow the lead man for Catholicism. After learning more than I ever cared to know about Catholicism, I now just shake my head at the arrogance and ignorance of Scripture and move along the Internet Highway. Catholics have heard the Gospel and have made their choice between man’s word and God’s Word. That said, if I see a lost soul asking for answers from Catholicism, I take the time to give them the truth of God’s word and steer them clear of the con … just as so many here took their precious time to do for others and which saved me from it.

I owe a debt of gratitude to a handful here who spared me from all the trappings (false doctrines, etc.) and enticing accouterments (rancid pride) of Catholicism. For the most part, they are ex-Catholics who finally saw the light. I praise God for them.

Hardly no Catholic seems to know that Paul, and only Paul, was sent to the Gentiles and that he is the lead man for Gentiles. Instead, Catholicism builds its house on Peter which is so wrong and weird, to say the least, since he was sent to the circumcision (read that, “Jews”). The foundation is shaky, the house wobbles, and the windows are in desperate need of cleaning.


80 posted on 12/16/2020 7:13:00 AM PST by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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