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Societal Characteristics of the Last Days: Part 1
RR ^ | 11/28/20 | Mark A. Beck

Posted on 12/08/2020 10:38:42 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come” (2 Timothy 3:1).

“For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, …” (2 Timothy 3:2).

Introduction

This series is a study examining the societal characteristics of the last days that Paul wrote about in 2 Timothy 3.

Initially, this four-part series was basically an outline to aid in the teaching of these passages. There’s really nothing earth-shaking or groundbreaking found within this study – at least for the educated believer. We know these verses very well and have been witnessing this prophecy coming to fruition on a yearly, monthly, and daily basis.

But I did want to share this study with the reader, as the definitions of the Greek words Paul used are very helpful, useful, and sometimes eye-opening. In sharing this series, I hope and pray it will be used as a tool for teaching on this subject and shared with unbelievers, that they may see what we so clearly see.

Basically, I’m listing the English words with their original Greek counterparts, noting their primary definitions, citing Scripture for practical application, and relating these societal characteristics with current events and trends in an effort to demonstrate that these prophecies for the last days are being fulfilled before our very eyes.

For Men Shall Be Lovers of Their Own Selves

The Greek word for “lovers of their own selves” is 5367 phílautos (an adjective, derived from 5384/phílos, “lover” and 846/autós, “of self”) – properly, a lover of self, describing someone preoccupied with their own selfish desires (self-interests). [All definitions from Biblehub.com]

The world has been telling us that the reason mankind has problems in life is because men and women have a natural tendency to dislike themselves.

Is this true? What does the Bible say?

“Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves” (Philippians 2:3).

The pseudo-sciences of Psychology and Psychiatry, popularized by God-denying, Christ-rejecting men such as Freud, Jung, Maslow, and others have played a major role in perpetuating the lie that men lack “self-esteem” and “self-love.” This is the only profession that claims to cure the disease that itself has created. (For more information on this subject, I highly recommend Psychology and the Church by T.A. McMahon and Dave Hunt, articles at thebereancall.org, and books by Dr. Martin and Deidre Bobgan.)

Unfortunately, this humanistic man-centered lie has infiltrated the church at an alarming rate. We even have churches that employ secular psychologists and psychiatrists on their staff.

Other churches, in an effort to “help” their congregations – yet seeing a contradiction – have resorted to employing so-called “Christian psychologists” or “Christian counselors” who are steeped in the pseudo-sciences of humanistic Psychology and Psychiatry and are promoting these teachings that are contrary to the Bible. All of this is done in an effort to heighten the laity’s self-esteem and self-love. This endeavor should be considered the purest form of “antithetical Christian behavior.”

We, as Christians, have the Holy Spirit, Whom Jesus called The Comforter. He is the only One that should be counseling the believer. As Jesus told His disciples:

“… I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you” (John 14:16-17).

Jesus, Himself, was prophesied to be the “Wonderful Counselor”:

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6).

Whatever happened to good old-fashioned fellowship and sharing in the sufferings of the brotherhood?

“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin” (1 John 1:7).

“Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another” (Romans 12:10).

Man, according to Scripture, has never had a problem loving himself. In fact, it is this self-love that is the problem. The sin of selfishness is probably the most easily seen of all sin and the first to rise in the human heart. Just consider the toddler and his favorite new word, “Mine!”

It’s no surprise that this characteristic is so prevalent in secular society, but, sadly, this state of loving one’s self is just as pervasive in the professing church.

Here’s the church’s remedy for self-love:

“Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me” (Matthew 16:24).

For Men Shall Be… Covetous

The Greek word for “covetous” is 5366 philárgyros (from 5384/phílos, “lover” and 696/árgyros, “of silver”) – properly, a lover of money (literally, silver) – i.e., someone (literally) “in love with personal gain (having money).”

“Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s” (Exodus 20:17).

“And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man’s life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth” (Luke 12:15).

Modern-day political words that come to mind when we think of covetousness are Socialism, Marxism, wealth redistribution, and reparations. A legendary tale’s mantra is, “Take from the rich and give to the poor.”

“But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows” (1 Timothy 6:6-10).

There are three words that seem to inspire the world in their unhealthy pursuit of “happiness”: Power, fame, and fortune; and the devil is only too happy to provide if it suits his purposes.

Everybody wants what everybody else has and won’t be satisfied, so they think, until they have it all. We, as a fallen people, are never content without God – it’s impossible. We have to have more! “Give me, give me, give me! Take, take, take!” For what?

“For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?” (Mark 8:36).

For the disciple of Christ, we should proclaim with Paul that we have

“… learned, in whatsoever state [we are], therewith to be content” (Philippians 4:11b).

The one sin that plagues all of mankind, without fail and never satisfies, is the sin of covetousness. It most certainly is prevalent in all societies and is ramping-up in these last days.

For the believer, is a command with a promise:

“Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee” (Hebrews 13:5).

For Men Shall Be… Boasters

The Greek word for “boasters” is 213 alazṓn (a masculine noun) – properly, a wandering vagrant (vagabond), boasting to anyone who is foolish enough to take him seriously! This kind of person claims many things he can’t really do, so he must always keep moving on to new, naive listeners. [As a masculine noun, 213 (alazṓn) tends to focus on the source of the empty boasting, i.e., the sinful arrogance that drives it.]

“Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall” (Proverbs 16:18).

The culture of the United States is a cesspool of boasting. From exalted entertainers and sports figures to the elite corporate and social media tycoons and political talking heads. Those in the upper echelons of public life are as arrogant as they come.

Consider the rulers of other nations; how they boast of their newest weapons, luxury palaces, and the power they wield.

How’s your circle of influence and observations concerning this character trait? Is it as prevalent in your sphere as it is in my everyday walk in this world?

Everybody was, and is, the best athlete. Everybody was, and is, the most popular. Everybody is the smartest and most qualified. Whenever one is passed over for a job promotion, it isn’t because they didn’t deserve it – in fact, they more than deserved it – they just have an idiot for a boss. And it goes on and on and on.

As Christians, we should all declare:

“My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad” (Psalm 34:2).

Do we see arrogant boasting in our society from the top-down today, and does it seem to be intensifying? I’d say it would be an exception for one not to acknowledge this trend.

For Men Shall Be… Proud

The Greek word for “proud” is 5244 hyperḗphanos (from 5228/hypér, “beyond, over” and 5316/phaínō, “shine forth”) – properly, over-shine, trying to be more than what God directs, i.e., going beyond the faith He imparts (cf. Ro 12:2,3).

“Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!” (Isaiah 5:21).

The fall of Satan was contingent on, and instigated in, his self-deluded pride; and the father of pride has seduced mankind with the same mindset and empty promises.

Pride inevitably leads to boasting. It seems you can’t have one without the other. This most certainly appears to be why the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to use these two societal characteristics side-by-side.

“For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world” (1 John 2:16).

If we see boasting so widespread in our day like we do, then we most certainly can say we have the market cornered by the pride that fuels such boasting.

For the Christian:

“Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips” (Proverbs 27:2).

For Men Shall Be… Blasphemers

The Greek word for “blasphemers” is 989blásphēmos – what is blasphemous (reverses spiritual and moral realities). See 987 (blasphēmeō). 987 blasphēméō (from blax, “sluggish, slow” and 5345/phḗmē, “reputation, fame”) – properly, refusing to acknowledge good (worthy of respect, veneration); hence, to blaspheme which reverses moral values.

“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” (Isaiah 5:20).

Isaiah’s statement of prophecy is fulfilled in a radical way in these end-times. With the obvious exception of the pre-flood world, the reversal of moral values is a plague on society and has never been so prevalent as it is in these last days. What once was considered taboo is now not only accepted, it is encouraged and celebrated. We, as a society, are virtually having a party for evil and have buried in death all that is righteous, holy, and good.

Observation makes this characteristic crystal clear for anyone with eyes to see. Just pick up the newspaper and keep up on the new “social” laws and the protections of deviant behavior passed by the world’s governments.

Notice also that we have a set of laws for the populace that is never heeded by those who write those laws, as lawlessness rules our day.

The world has rejected the good and embraced the evil. It’s hard to believe it will get worse, but it most certainly will.

For us who are called by the Name of the Lord, we should…

“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Thessalonians 5:21-23).

For Men Shall Be… Disobedient to Parents

The Greek word for “disobedient” is 545 apeithḗs (an adjective) – literally, unwilling to be persuaded (by God), which shows itself in outward disobedience (outward spiritual rebellion); disobedient because unpersuaded. 545/apeithḗs (“unpersuaded”) begins with the decision to reject what God prefers, with His offer to persuade about His preferred-will (cf. 2307/thélēma). See 543 (apeitheia). [Note the root, 3982/peíthō (“persuade”).]

Any visit to a grocery store, and one could very well see this characteristic play out, in real time, with a teenager (or even a pre-teen) screaming and cursing out his or her mother. The words coming from that child’s mouth would make a sailor blush. But this is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg concerning this characteristic trait.

“The eye that mocketh at his father, and despiseth to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it” (Proverbs 30:17).

Most certainly, the Holy Spirit is grieved by how we, as a people, have disrespected, disregarded, and discarded our parents in their senior years as a collective society. We consider those we ship off to nursing homes – never to be visited by their loved ones again – the lucky of the lot. How infuriating!

Whether they were lovely or something to be desired, we have a command to honor them, and we would be well-served to do just that.

“Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee” (Exodus 20:12).

It truly is heartbreaking at what the offspring can do to those who brought them into the world and supplied their needs. This is a condition that has a trickle-down effect on society, and we are seeing the rotten fruit of that tree today.

Paul summarized this commandment this way:

“Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise; That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth” (Ephesians 6:1-3).

For Men Shall Be… Unthankful

The Greek word for “unthankful” is 884 axáristos (an adjective, derived from 1/A “not” and 5483/xarízomai, “experiencing grace“) – properly, without God’s grace (favor) which results in unthankfulness (literally, “ungraceful”).

This is an interesting definition and seems to suggest a circular reciprocity that, in most cases, never ends. God grants His grace and favor to man, and man tends to become unthankful. When God’s grace and favor are withheld (for whatever reason God deems necessary), then man becomes that much more unthankful. Man is just outright unthankful – regardless of favor and grace, or not.

It would also seem that this perpetual condition, most obviously, is a result of learned behavior in the home.

Mom and Dad give the child grace and favor; the child becomes spoiled and expects, then neglects, these gifts in unthankfulness. As punishment, Mom and Dad revoke said grace and favor, and… Well, I think you get the idea.

It seems it all comes down to that strong human sense of entitlement.

“Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him” (Proverbs 22:15).

We often think of unthankfulness as a childlike quality, and indeed spoiled children bring about spoiled fruit in the lives of those children if not corrected by a loving parent. But, unfortunately, the rod of discipline has been taken from our society, and we see the repercussions of this as those same children have grown up.

Honestly, it is a rarity these days to find one who is thankful. Unthankfulness goes hand in hand with covetousness, and they work their darkened “magic” together to the detriment of society’s spiritual and moral health. No wonder God withdraws His grace and favor.

Once one covets anything from an evil and unnatural desire – then receives what he or she has coveted – are they thankful? Of course not. Things desired and received by force, or even as a gift, are rarely respected and appreciated. Why? Because the deceitful and wicked human heart is never satisfied and demands “More! More! More!”

Isaiah, speaking of Israel’s useless watchmen leaders, sums up this perverse characteristic this way:

“Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter” (Isaiah 56:11).

For those of us who have given our lives to the Creator and Savior of our souls, we…

“Rejoice evermore. Pray without ceasing. In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning [us]” (1 Thessalonians 5:16-18).

Conclusion

For those with a keen eye, we will be starting our examination in Part 2 with “Unholy.” The reason I didn’t include that characteristic in Part 1 is because I wanted to make an obvious point with the characteristics we just studied: They are all about self.

“Lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful” – are all about self.

The remedy for the believer is to deny one’s self, as noted above:

“Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me” (Matthew 16:24).

The self-worship, which we all are prone to, is what keeps us from ever focusing our attention on others, and most importantly, on our Creator and Savior, Jesus Christ. We must put off “self” and put on Christ:

“But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof” (Romans 13:14).

Love, grace, mercy, and shalom in Messiah Yeshua, and Maranatha!


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To: Cronos

You’re still wrong. You have to hold your position because you are Catholic. I get it.


101 posted on 01/07/2021 6:11:02 AM PST by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: SouthernClaire

No, I’m not wrong - as historically and Biblically we see that
1. Paul’s commission was ALSO to the Israelites “Acts 9:15 “15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for this man is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before Gentiles, kings, and Israelites”

2. Thomas, Thaddeus, Peter and Bartholomew all preached to and converted gentiles.

Sorry, but the historical and biblical facts show that multiple apostles preached to and converted gentiles and that there was never a separate gentile church - only ONE body of Christ, one Church


102 posted on 01/07/2021 6:40:10 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: Cronos

You miss my point entirely, but carry on.

I can’t help you to see what you don’t want to see.

I’ll leave you to consider your own FR home page:

“Christianity started out as a Jewish sect.

· Jesus was a Jew.

· The God of the Bible is the God of the Torah (the Great I AM, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob).

· All of his apostles were Jews.

· All of the protagonists of the Bible are Jews.

· Jesus claimed to be the Jewish Messiah.

· Jesus’ teachings are builds upon Jewish teachings.

· For Christians, Jesus was the fulfilled Old Testament prophecy.

“Everything that happened in the Gospels happens in Jewish lands (albeit under Roman occupation at that time).
For Christians, the “Holy Land” is in Israel.
The earliest Christians were Jews.
The first Christian Church was founded in Jerusalem.
Important days of the Christian calendar coincide with important dates in the Jewish calendar (e.g. Jesus’ crucifixion and Passover).
There is a sizeable denomination of Christian Jews who retain their Jewish customs.
As we speak, Christians and Christian-majority countries have a great relationship with the modern state of Israel.
Christian Eschatology foresees a returning Jesus with the hosts of Heaven, landing in Jerusalem and fighting for Jerusalem.”

Pay close attention to the following words of yours:

“There is a sizeable denomination of Christian Jews who retain their Jewish customs.”

Perhaps you can make yourself understand by using your own words.

Best of luck.


103 posted on 01/07/2021 7:01:44 AM PST by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: Cronos

And what is this all about:

“presently no screen name satan says I/my minions can deceive

“Elsie: So much for the healiung power of Jesus..”


104 posted on 01/07/2021 7:03:35 AM PST by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: SouthernClaire

First

1. This is plainly there for all to see that
a. biblically Paul was sent to Jews as well as gentiles
b. gentiles were converted by Peter as well as Paul

2. this is plainly there for all to see that
a. historically Bartholomew, Thaddeus and Thomas all converted gentiles


105 posted on 01/07/2021 8:09:23 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: SouthernClaire

Second

Christianity started out as a Jewish sect — but remember that the “Jews” also converted people to Judaism. The Edomites were forcibly converted to Judaism in the century before Christ.


106 posted on 01/07/2021 8:09:38 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: SouthernClaire

Thirdly

Jesus did not claim to be only the Jewish Messiah i.e. the Jewish concept of the Messiah as a warlord - He claimed to be and He is God’s Messiah - the savior of the world.

The thing that you claim there is a separate “Jewish Messiah” is the misreading of the OT and the Pharisee and Zealot errors that they believed they would have a Warlord Messiah — as they thought Barabbas or Bar Kochkba or Judas the Galilean was.

Jesus came as a shock to the Pharisees, but He was the only Messiah - both for Jews and for Gentiles.


107 posted on 01/07/2021 8:29:29 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: SouthernClaire

Fourthly

You keep saying “Jewish teachings” - but these are God’s teachings and they spread from

First - a man (Abraham)
Second - a family (Jacob’s)
Third - a nation
Fourth - to the world

God took in gentiles in the OT - as Ruth, Beersheba etc. and note that these are in David’s and Jesus’ matrilineal line.

The gentiles were grafted in to the family of God, added to the family of God such that now we are ALL Israel.

“The first Christian Church was founded in Jerusalem.” —> the first “Christian” church was founded in Damascus - prior to that, in Jerusalem they were called followers of “The Way”

“Important days of the Christian calendar coincide with important dates in the Jewish calendar (e.g. Jesus’ crucifixion and Passover).” —> naturally, because Christianity is a continuation of 2nd temple Judaism where Judaism is now the entire family of believers in Jesus.

“There is a sizeable denomination of Christian Jews who retain their Jewish customs.” —> Nope, the Jewish customs if they were slavishly following the Law that was fulfilled by Jesus is not retained. The Messianic Jews are a new Christian movement that has ethnic Jews and tries to retain elements of the Law despite this being against what Christ said.

“As we speak, Christians and Christian-majority countries have a great relationship with the modern state of Israel.”
—> Modern day Israel calls itself a secular state of the Jewish people - it see’s itself more in ethnic terms than religious.

The Modern state of Israel is a modern state in every sense of the term.

“Christian Eschatology foresees a returning Jesus with the hosts of Heaven, landing in Jerusalem and fighting for Jerusalem” —> err.. no - what are you talking about?


108 posted on 01/07/2021 8:42:39 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: Cronos

Who are the “remnant,” Cronos?


109 posted on 01/07/2021 8:52:54 AM PST by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: SouthernClaire

There are and have been multiple remnants

Here are just a few of the many examples that can be found in Scripture:

The tribes of Judah and Levi - There were twelve tribes in Israel, but ten of them (the Ten Lost Tribes) were lost in the Assyrian conquest of the Northern Kingdom of Israel in 721 B.C. The prophets had warned the Northern Kingdom of its wickedness, but they refused to repent, and the foretold destruction came to pass. Those who did not die in the war were deported and assimilated into the peoples around them. Only a remnant, the tribes of Judah and Levi, survived in the Southern Kingdom of Judah.

A remnant of Judah – Judah also grew wicked and prophets warned of its destruction. The Babylonians then destroyed Judah, and Jerusalem with it, in 587 B.C. They deported the survivors to Babylon. Eighty years later, the Persians conquered the Babylonians and allowed the Jewish people to return to the Promised Land. Only a remnant went back, however; most chose to stay in the Diaspora, preferring Babylon to the land promised by God.

Gideon’s army – Gideon had an army of 30,000 and faced the Midianite army of 60,000, yet God told him that his army was too large, and he should send home any soldiers who were afraid. So, Gideon told the soldiers that if they didn’t think they were up for this battle they could leave; 20,000 left. With Gideon’s army down to only 10,000, God said to him that his army was still too big and that he should observe the men as they drank from a nearby stream. Three hundred of them lapped up the water with their tongues like dogs! God told Gideon let all the others go home. Gideon won that day with those 300 men whom the Lord had chosen. God thinned His ranks and chose only a remnant as His true soldiers (cfJudges 6 and 7).

Jesus and large crowds – Some of Jesus’ most difficult sayings came when there was a large crowd present: He taught against divorce (Matt 5 and 19, Mark 10); He declared that no one could be His disciple unless he renounced his possessions, took up his cross, and followed Him (e.g., Luke 14); He taught on the Eucharist, causing many to leave and no longer walk in His company (Jn 6).

The narrow road to salvation – Jesus lamented that the road to destruction is wide and many are on it, while the road to salvation is narrow and only a few find it (cf Mat 7:13-14). Yes, only a few, a remnant.

here is what this remnant will actually look like:

“The future of the Church, once again as always, will be reshaped by saints, by men, that is, whose minds probe deeper than the slogans of the day, who see more than others see, because their lives embrace a wider reality. Unselfishness, which makes men free, is attained only through the patience of small daily acts of self-denial (…) In faith and prayer she[the Church] will again recognize the sacraments as the worship of God and not as a subject for liturgical scholarship. The Church will be a more spiritual Church, not presuming upon a political mandate, flirting as little with the Left as with the Right. It will be hard going for the Church, for the process of crystallization and clarification will cost her much valuable energy. It will make her poor and cause her to become the Church of the meek.”


110 posted on 01/07/2021 9:47:49 AM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: Cronos

Ok, then. If that’s what you really believe, it’s your business. You know I don’t buy it for a second.

Please don’t ping me anymore. Nothing personal, but it’s a waste of time as I won’t be convincing you and you won’t be convincing me. And we are worlds apart in belief.

Thanks, and may God bless you and yours.

SC


111 posted on 01/07/2021 10:51:10 AM PST by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Amen!


112 posted on 01/07/2021 11:03:10 AM PST by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: SouthernClaire

One last point

The Kingdom of Christ is different from the kingdoms of the earth and their splendor, which Satan parades before him during the temptations in the desert.

At the culmination of Jesus’ trial, Pilate presents the people with a choice between Jesus and Barabbas. One of the two will be released. But who was Barabbas? It is usually the words of John’s Gospel that come to mind here: “Barabbas was a robber” (Jn 18:40). But the Greek word for “robber” had acquired a specific meaning in the political situation that obtained at the time in Palestine. It had become a synonym for “resistance fighter.” Barabbas had taken part in an uprising (cf. Mk 15:7), and furthermore—in that context—had been accused of murder (cf. Lk 23:19, 25). When Matthew remarks that Barabbas was “a notorious prisoner” (Mt 27:16), this is evidence that he was one of the prominent resistance fighters, in fact probably the actual leader of that particular uprising.

In other words, Barabbas was a messianic figure. The choice of Jesus versus Barabbas is not accidental; two messiah figures, two forms of messianic belief stand in opposition. This becomes even clearer when we consider that the name Bar-Abbas means “son of the father.” This is a typically messianic appellation, the cultic name of a prominent leader of the messianic movement. The last great Jewish messianic war was fought in the year 132 by Bar-Kokhba, “son of the star.” The form of the name is the same, and it stands for the same intention.

You make tye same error in assuming there to be a different, warrior messiah for “the Jews”


113 posted on 01/07/2021 12:33:43 PM PST by Cronos ( )
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To: Cronos

“You keep saying “Jewish teachings” - but these are God’s teachings and they spread from”

You DO realize, don’t you, that those words came directly from your home page? They are YOUR words: · “Jesus’ teachings are builds upon Jewish teachings.” [Sic.] Take the matter up with yourself if there’s a problem with it.

Your fervent desire to be right rather than to let Scripture speak is evident. I know you’ll do the usual and fill up a ton of space with doctrinal errors and quotes which you won’t source, so ...

The floor is yours.


114 posted on 01/08/2021 6:43:46 AM PST by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: SouthernClaire
Thanks for that -- I've edited it - Jesus's teachings are built upon 1st temple Israelite teachings.

Furthermore, this is clearly scriptural

  1. Jesus was the global Messiah
  2. Salvation comes first to a man, then to a family, then to a nation, then to the world
  3. Modern day rabbinical Judaism (what we call Jews) are really younger than Christianity - having been formulated only in 70 AD and doctrines defined by 600 to 800 AD as seen in the Babylonian Talmud
  4. Jesus was clear that the Kingdom of heaven WAS at hand 2000 years ago
  5. the Kingdom is "among you" is what he said
  6. And the Kingdom was inaugurated at the Pentecost in the form of the Church _- Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental, Assyrian.

115 posted on 01/25/2021 4:11:03 AM PST by Cronos
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