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Note this:

1. This "Islamic Jesus" speaks words (even as a newborn) - that is not in the Gospels and was not read of anywhere until the 8th century writing of the Quran 2. This tale of Mary going to wilderness looks like the writer barely remembered the account in the book of Revelations and distorted it 3. If anyone reads Q19:19 you see that the passage poses a problem to the doctrine of tawheed (Muslim oneness / unitarianism) and the alleged absolute Oneness of allah. In the verse we read clearly that the spirit of Allah is the one who is speaking and claiming to be the messenger of Allah, yet at the same time promising to give Mary a child. 4. Jesus is labelled spirit of Allah means Allah chosen His spirit for Jesus 5. Then Mary is called "the sister of Aaron" - because the writers of the quran mixed up Mary with Mariam (the sister of Aaron) 6. NOte that the author refers to Jesus as "the son of Mary" - this was a refutation of the theotokos term (Mother of God) term for Mary.

Finally - note that this is a different character from the Jesus of the Gospels or the Pauline/James/Peters letters. Muslims when you speak to them of Jesus, think of this Quranic character and say "hey, but Jesus said he wasn't god - look it's here in the quran"

1 posted on 09/07/2020 11:22:54 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

The Koran doesn’t present anything about Mary as Christians understand her. The Koran tries to say that Mary is considered by Christians to be the third person of the Trinity. This was based on the historical accident that the only Christians with whom Mohammed had contact were Nestorians, who have a defective understanding of Christian theology. But no Christians, not even Nestorians, but all the rest, Orthodox, Protestant or Catholic, have ever considered Mary to be a member of the Trinity. All Christians know that Mary is not God. They give the saints doulia, veneration, the Holy Theotokos (the God Bearer) hyper-doulia, extreme veneration, but to God alone do they render latria, the adoration due to God alone.


2 posted on 09/07/2020 11:33:47 PM PDT by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: Cronos

this writing reads like recent Joe Biden wording:
confused,
disjointed,
manipulating/deceiving the reader,
contains buzz words, but not true.


8 posted on 09/08/2020 2:36:45 AM PDT by b4me (God Bless the USA)
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To: Cronos

Hagar went into the desert with her son...

The moslems claim that it was that son called Ishmael who was to be sacrificed on Mt Moriah by his father Abraham ...


12 posted on 09/08/2020 3:08:40 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Cronos

Well, it is apparent from the writing, this person is not Jesus of the Old and New Testaments.


17 posted on 09/08/2020 3:46:59 AM PDT by sauropod (I will not comply.)
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To: Cronos

ramblings of a mad man... If Satan wanted to counter Christianity - he would have someone make up a murderous cult following of perverts... and that’s exactly what occurred with Islam!


18 posted on 09/08/2020 4:15:40 AM PDT by Patriot_MP (Of the Troops, For the Troops - US of A Always. Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Cronos

The tale is written to put many things about Mary, what she does, where she goes, what she says, and what G-d says, into the social culture of Arabia and the theology of Islam. Notice also that Joseph is totally left out, maybe because a single woman without a husband is more convincing to Arab-Muslim sentiments than a married woman with a Jewish husband.

But to a larger extent the tale is written to placate Christians, as if to say, “see we Muslims also ‘believe’ in Yeshua and his mother, Mary”. THAT is 100% of the purpose of the inclusion of tales of Mary or Yeshua in the Quran.


23 posted on 09/08/2020 6:20:51 AM PDT by Wuli
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