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Why don't ex-gays' stories count?
Christian Post ^ | 07/30/2020 | Michael Brown

Posted on 07/30/2020 11:01:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

What is it that makes the very existence of ex-gays so dangerous? And why is there a concerted, worldwide effort to block professional counseling for those with unwanted same-sex attractions?

Before you think I’m exaggerating, consider the following examples.

In England, Barclays Bank announced it was closing the account of a Christian charity after protest from LGBTQ activists. The charity, Core Issues Trust (CIT), was accused of practicing “conversion therapy.” CIT said that “Barclays informed them that their bank account will be terminated by September. CIT claimed that the move came after pressure from an LGBT social media campaign that targetted the group for allegedly practising ‘conversion therapy’.”

On the social media front, it is now reported that, “Facebook and its photo platform Instagram are banning any content advertising or promoting treatment to overcome unwanted same-sex attraction.”

According to Facebook spokeswoman Stephanie Otway, “This is a global policy. The policy is still under development, but for now it will be applied to content that promotes conversion therapy when we become aware of it.”

Ex-gay colleagues have already informed me that their content is being removed from Facebook and their pages are being shut down, simply for stating that change is possible.

Last year, Amazon stopped selling books by respected therapists like Dr. Joseph Nicolosi as part of their ban on “conversion therapy” books. This year, Amazon refused to allow Regnery Books, one of the largest conservative publishers, to buy ads for their new book by journalist Abigail Shrier, Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters.

But there’s more.

As posted on the official website of the Office of the High Commissioner of the United Nations Human Rights organization, “Practices known as ‘conversion therapy’ inflict severe pain and suffering on lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans and gender-diverse (LGBT) persons, often resulting in long-lasting psychological and physical damage, a UN expert told the Human Rights Council while calling for a global ban.”

Yes, you read that correctly. This UN expert is calling for a global ban of so-called “conversion therapy.”

And what, exactly, is this dangerous therapy?

According to Victor Madrigal-Borloz, “the Independent Expert on protection against violence and discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity . . . conversion is attempted through beatings, rape, electrocution, forced medication, isolation and confinement, forced nudity, verbal offense and humiliation and other acts of physical, psychological, and sexual abuse.”

He said, “These interventions exclusively target LGBT persons with the specific aim of interfering in their personal integrity and autonomy because their sexual orientation or gender identity do not fall under what is perceived by certain persons as a desirable norm. They are inherently degrading and discriminatory and rooted in the belief that LGBT persons are somehow inferior, and that they must at any cost modify their orientation or identity to remedy that supposed inferiority.”

This sounds pretty horrible, right? No wonder the Christian charity in England is having its bank account shut down. No wonder Facebook and Instagram are blocking posts advocating these torturous practices. No wonder the UN is calling for a ban.

There’s only one problem.

This is a myth. It is a creation of the left. It is a boogey man, manufactured out of thin air, meant to discredit fine organizations and ministries which simply say, “If you are unhappy with your same-sex attractions or gender-identity confusion, we’re here to talk with you and help.”

That’s it.

Nothing is forced or coerced. No one is being beaten. Or raped. Or electrocuted. Or isolated. Or confined. Or forced to take medication. Or stripped naked. Or subjected to “verbal offense and humiliation and other acts of physical, psychological, and sexual abuse.” God forbid!

There is not a person I know on the planet who would affirm such abusive practices, and if they do exist, they have no connection at all to organizations like CIT and others.

Instead, professional counselors and ministry leaders, many of them ex-gay or ex-trans themselves, are offering prayer, support, and talk therapy to those that request it.

That’s it.

You say, “But I’ve heard horror stories of kids taken against their own will and isolated and tortured in an attempt to drive the gay out of them. It is child abuse of the worst kind.”

If such stories were true, I would agree with you wholeheartedly. That would be downright wicked, and all people of conscience should denounce such horrific practices. And to the extent such a thing has taken place or still takes place, I will work side by side with you to help eradicate it.

The reality, however, is that many of these stories are not true at all. And certainly, there is not a single, recognized ex-gay ministry or organization in the world that would sanction any of the horrific practices listed here.

Why, then, should they be banned by the UN, by social media, and by other countries when all they do is offer counseling and prayer to those who request? What is their crime? Why the extreme reaction, to the point of removing their content on social media and shutting down their bank accounts? Why accuse them of practicing “conversion therapy” (allegedly replete with horrible practices) when that is not who they are or what they do?

You say, “I have gay and trans friends who told me how damaging it was to receive this kind of counseling and prayer when they were adults. They were told this would help them change their sexual orientation or gender identity, but in the end, it did far more harm than good. Worse still, it made them feel like there was something wrong with being gay or trans when, in fact, this is how God made them.”

Maybe they weren’t helped at all. Maybe they were actually hurt. The same can be said for countless people who tried everything from new diets to spiritual fads to life coaches to psychiatrists. They report negative outcomes rather than positive outcomes.

But I can also point you to countless thousands who have been helped. Who have improved the quality of their lives. Who are happier and more content. Who have resolved deep inner conflicts. Who have found gender wholeness (without surgery or lifelong hormones). Who have even seen changes in their sexual orientation.

Why don’t their stories count? And what about those people who believe that God did not make them gay or trans? Do not their beliefs or convictions count?

Really now, in today’s world, if someone wants to go to a new age healer who allegedly makes contact with UFO’s, they can do so. Or, if someone wants to go to a holistic cancer treatment center rather than get chemotherapy, that’s their choice.

Yet if someone says, “I would rather not take hormones for life and remove perfectly healthy organs in order to feel at home in my body. Instead, I would prefer finding wholeness from the inside out, and I’d like to meet with a professionally trained counselor,” they will be told that such counseling is forbidden.

This is both criminal and cruel, and people of conscience around the world need to raise their voices in support of freedom of choice. (Shall I mention here the secular therapists who believe that sexual orientation is often quite fluid?)

The Restored Hope Network has posted this call to action, offering many practical steps you can take. And you can do what I’ve done on social media, specifically, challenging the ban and asking for people to post their testimonies of change. (See here for a Facebook post that, thankfully, has not been taken down. Some of the testimonies are very powerful.)

As for the questions I asked at the outset of this article, the answers are simple. People who are ex-gay and ex-trans are a threat to the whole “born that way” argument, the argument that says that gay (or trans) is the new black. By undermining that, we undermine the movement.

And that’s why is it such a threat.

(To watch an important August 1 online event, offering a sneak preview of a powerful new documentary called In His Image, addressing these very issues with biblical clarity and life-changing stories, go here.)


Dr. Michael Brown (www.askdrbrown.org) is the host of the nationally syndicated Line of Fire radio program. His latest book is Evangelicals at the Crossroads: Will We Pass the Trump Test?



TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: exgays; homosexuality
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To: FormerFRLurker

I wouldn’t even say relapse.....if you’re gay you’re gay. There ain’t no praying away the gay in my mind.

And yes, HIV would be very scary.


21 posted on 07/30/2020 1:07:03 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!)
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To: lodi90

I think a lot of us have seen that. It’s bizarre & I always wondered what the woman thought.


22 posted on 07/30/2020 1:09:33 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!)
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To: leaning conservative
Whittaker Chambers as a young man had a period when he lived the homosexual lifestyle, but later left that and married a woman. I have never heard it alleged that he ever went back to the homosexual world.

My mother belonged to a Republican women's group and my father would go to the meetings with her. After her death he continued to attend and I sometimes went with him. One month the speaker was an "ex-gay" man. He seemed very sincere. That was more than 10 years ago and I don't remember his name.

23 posted on 07/30/2020 1:32:44 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: bk1000
Because if conversion therapy works, then gay is indeed a choice. That does not further the “born that way” narrative. Gays can’t be a victim group if their perversion is simply a choice.

You and your facts...picky, picky, picky.

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But so true.

24 posted on 07/30/2020 2:41:04 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Boogieman
The fact that male pornstars routinely do both gay and straight pornography kind of weighs against that opinion...

Did you forget that MAYBE male pornstars needed some drugs, that is, "extra help" to get it up and keep it up for all/some of those pornmovies?

25 posted on 07/30/2020 2:44:19 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Not really, since that has been common since long before those little blue pills were invented. As was the practice of closeted gay men marrying women and fathering children with them, which kind of required them to be able to get and maintain an erection.

I do find it extremely funny that women see themselves as qualified to lecture a man about erections though.


26 posted on 07/30/2020 2:52:17 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Verginius Rufus

Interesting post. If Chambers did revert I am sure he kept it secret. All I am saying is that you are not going to find a dane, educated woman who will be with a man who was “previously” a homosexual. Why? Because he will always be a homosexual.


27 posted on 07/30/2020 7:47:15 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!)
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To: leaning conservative

Sane not dane


28 posted on 07/30/2020 7:47:54 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The whole homo house of cards only stands if homosexuality is an orientation rather than a lifestyle choice. So it’s like Hotel California - you can never leave, and the many that do through the grace of God must be cancelled. Which ignores the millions of heteros that dabble in crossing the line at times. Science hasn’t found the “gay gene” so we must all just pretend.


29 posted on 07/30/2020 8:18:06 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite its unfashionability)
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To: leaning conservative
Learned behaviors can be unlearned.

Behavior is a choice.

30 posted on 07/30/2020 8:24:33 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (And lead us not into hysteria, but deliver us from the handwashers. Amen!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

That is true. I don’t believe homosexuals choose their lifestyle, I believe they are born that way.


31 posted on 07/31/2020 1:12:06 AM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!)
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To: leaning conservative
And you are wrong in your belief.
32 posted on 07/31/2020 9:59:34 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (And lead us not into hysteria, but deliver us from the handwashers. Amen!)
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To: Boogieman
Not really, since that has been common since long before those little blue pills were invented. As was the practice of closeted gay men marrying women and fathering children with them, which kind of required them to be able to get and maintain an erection.
I do find it extremely funny that women see themselves as qualified to lecture a man about erections though.

Lol. Why not? The wife is the daily witness to them. Men can't pretend to have what OBVIOUSLY isn't happening.
Women can lie about their pleasure...and probably have been doing so for a long time.

The homosexual man trying for that erection need only think of his male lover. But, then, what do I know of homosexual men trying to do that?

I'm glad that you are amused by something so prurient.

And there HAVE been potions-a-many over the millenia regarding "blue pills." So what? But what was their success rate? Or don't you know that?

Any woman who feels she must "lecture" a man about that ... sounds like YOU and your current lecture to ME.

LOL.

33 posted on 07/31/2020 12:44:12 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Charming as usual ; )


34 posted on 07/31/2020 1:46:55 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!)
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To: leaning conservative
Am I suppose to tell you that you are right?

There is no proof that they are "born that way". And believe me they have looked for it. It is the holy grail of politicized science along with embryonic stem cells being the universal cure all for everything from hair loss to death.

Both of those things have turned out to be complete duds no matter how much money they pour into it.

But when you search for nurture related reason for people become homosexual they are all over the place. I just go with the preponderance of the evidence.

35 posted on 07/31/2020 2:10:21 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (And lead us not into hysteria, but deliver us from the handwashers. Amen!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Appreciate your reply. Thanks.


36 posted on 07/31/2020 6:33:37 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!)
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To: cloudmountain

“Lol. Why not? The wife is the daily witness to them.”

Because if a husband would think they were qualified to lecture a wife about, say, their monthly cycle and its affect on the wife, which a husband witnesses regularly, it would be rightly seen as ludicrous. Your secondhand knowledge of the subject is always going to be vastly inferior to anyone who actually has firsthand knowledge of the subject. For subjective matters like this, there is no replacement for experience.

“The homosexual man trying for that erection need only think of his male lover.”

Which proves my original point quite nicely, even if that wasn’t your intention.


37 posted on 08/04/2020 7:41:28 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Learned behaviors can be unlearned.
Behavior is a choice.


Homosexuality is a behavior. Stealing is a behavior, drug addition is a behavior, alcoholism is a behavior. honesty is a behavior, etc.

Behaviors are complex. There are multiple causes of behaviors. Sometimes they are not the persons choice but what someone else has done such as exposure to pornography, or homo perversion as a child.

Imprinting is a large part of human behavior. Imprinting is not politically correct now.

Behaviors can be modified but it is a difficult process. Behavior modification is not politically correct these days.

Homosexuals are the behavior. They identify as the behavior. So when you say love the sinner, but hate the sin it makes no sense to them. They are the sin, you hate them.

Now if you attend a al anon meeting they will also say they are alcoholics. But when they say it, they hate the behavior.

MOST HOMOS GLORIFY IN THEIR BEHAVIOUR, THEY DON’T HATE IT. Note the tone in their voices. The fact that they identify with no regret/repentance speaks loudly.


38 posted on 08/04/2020 8:17:56 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Boogieman
“Lol. Why not? The wife is the daily witness to them.” Because if a husband would think they were qualified to lecture a wife about, say, their monthly cycle and its affect on the wife, which a husband witnesses regularly, it would be rightly seen as ludicrous. Your secondhand knowledge of the subject is always going to be vastly inferior to anyone who actually has firsthand knowledge of the subject. For subjective matters like this, there is no replacement for experience. “The homosexual man trying for that erection need only think of his male lover.”

What are you talking about? Who is "they" in your statement? Your grammar is so bad it's difficult to make any sense of it.

Men may not know about menstrual pain but they DO understand pain...especially his wife's. What a stupid comment that was.

Why CAN'T a husband comment on his wife's period? Is HIS pain SO very different? And why can't he be understanding about any pain?
You write more about YOURSELF and your lack of understanding and compassion.

Which "subjective matters" are you talking about besides this one? Or are you lumping ALL "subjective matters" into one big boogiepile?

Lol. Your logic is as bad as your grammar.
Bye-bye.

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booger is a better call sign for you, I think, since that seems to be the sum of your booger-logic.

39 posted on 08/04/2020 4:55:02 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: SeekAndFind

The hypocrisy of the left is on full display yet again.

They’re all for someone *coming out* and declaring they are gay.

When some gay decides that they are done with it and goes straight, all hell breaks loose. The weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth can be heard across the country.

Satan HATES losing ground once he’s gained it.


40 posted on 08/04/2020 5:24:02 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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