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Why don't ex-gays' stories count?
Christian Post ^ | 07/30/2020 | Michael Brown

Posted on 07/30/2020 11:01:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: FormerFRLurker

I wouldn’t even say relapse.....if you’re gay you’re gay. There ain’t no praying away the gay in my mind.

And yes, HIV would be very scary.


21 posted on 07/30/2020 1:07:03 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!)
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To: lodi90

I think a lot of us have seen that. It’s bizarre & I always wondered what the woman thought.


22 posted on 07/30/2020 1:09:33 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!)
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To: leaning conservative
Whittaker Chambers as a young man had a period when he lived the homosexual lifestyle, but later left that and married a woman. I have never heard it alleged that he ever went back to the homosexual world.

My mother belonged to a Republican women's group and my father would go to the meetings with her. After her death he continued to attend and I sometimes went with him. One month the speaker was an "ex-gay" man. He seemed very sincere. That was more than 10 years ago and I don't remember his name.

23 posted on 07/30/2020 1:32:44 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: bk1000
Because if conversion therapy works, then gay is indeed a choice. That does not further the “born that way” narrative. Gays can’t be a victim group if their perversion is simply a choice.

You and your facts...picky, picky, picky.

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But so true.

24 posted on 07/30/2020 2:41:04 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Boogieman
The fact that male pornstars routinely do both gay and straight pornography kind of weighs against that opinion...

Did you forget that MAYBE male pornstars needed some drugs, that is, "extra help" to get it up and keep it up for all/some of those pornmovies?

25 posted on 07/30/2020 2:44:19 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Not really, since that has been common since long before those little blue pills were invented. As was the practice of closeted gay men marrying women and fathering children with them, which kind of required them to be able to get and maintain an erection.

I do find it extremely funny that women see themselves as qualified to lecture a man about erections though.


26 posted on 07/30/2020 2:52:17 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Verginius Rufus

Interesting post. If Chambers did revert I am sure he kept it secret. All I am saying is that you are not going to find a dane, educated woman who will be with a man who was “previously” a homosexual. Why? Because he will always be a homosexual.


27 posted on 07/30/2020 7:47:15 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!)
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To: leaning conservative

Sane not dane


28 posted on 07/30/2020 7:47:54 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The whole homo house of cards only stands if homosexuality is an orientation rather than a lifestyle choice. So it’s like Hotel California - you can never leave, and the many that do through the grace of God must be cancelled. Which ignores the millions of heteros that dabble in crossing the line at times. Science hasn’t found the “gay gene” so we must all just pretend.


29 posted on 07/30/2020 8:18:06 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite its unfashionability)
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To: leaning conservative
Learned behaviors can be unlearned.

Behavior is a choice.

30 posted on 07/30/2020 8:24:33 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (And lead us not into hysteria, but deliver us from the handwashers. Amen!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

That is true. I don’t believe homosexuals choose their lifestyle, I believe they are born that way.


31 posted on 07/31/2020 1:12:06 AM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!)
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To: leaning conservative
And you are wrong in your belief.
32 posted on 07/31/2020 9:59:34 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (And lead us not into hysteria, but deliver us from the handwashers. Amen!)
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To: Boogieman
Not really, since that has been common since long before those little blue pills were invented. As was the practice of closeted gay men marrying women and fathering children with them, which kind of required them to be able to get and maintain an erection.
I do find it extremely funny that women see themselves as qualified to lecture a man about erections though.

Lol. Why not? The wife is the daily witness to them. Men can't pretend to have what OBVIOUSLY isn't happening.
Women can lie about their pleasure...and probably have been doing so for a long time.

The homosexual man trying for that erection need only think of his male lover. But, then, what do I know of homosexual men trying to do that?

I'm glad that you are amused by something so prurient.

And there HAVE been potions-a-many over the millenia regarding "blue pills." So what? But what was their success rate? Or don't you know that?

Any woman who feels she must "lecture" a man about that ... sounds like YOU and your current lecture to ME.

LOL.

33 posted on 07/31/2020 12:44:12 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Charming as usual ; )


34 posted on 07/31/2020 1:46:55 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!)
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To: leaning conservative
Am I suppose to tell you that you are right?

There is no proof that they are "born that way". And believe me they have looked for it. It is the holy grail of politicized science along with embryonic stem cells being the universal cure all for everything from hair loss to death.

Both of those things have turned out to be complete duds no matter how much money they pour into it.

But when you search for nurture related reason for people become homosexual they are all over the place. I just go with the preponderance of the evidence.

35 posted on 07/31/2020 2:10:21 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (And lead us not into hysteria, but deliver us from the handwashers. Amen!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Appreciate your reply. Thanks.


36 posted on 07/31/2020 6:33:37 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!)
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To: cloudmountain

“Lol. Why not? The wife is the daily witness to them.”

Because if a husband would think they were qualified to lecture a wife about, say, their monthly cycle and its affect on the wife, which a husband witnesses regularly, it would be rightly seen as ludicrous. Your secondhand knowledge of the subject is always going to be vastly inferior to anyone who actually has firsthand knowledge of the subject. For subjective matters like this, there is no replacement for experience.

“The homosexual man trying for that erection need only think of his male lover.”

Which proves my original point quite nicely, even if that wasn’t your intention.


37 posted on 08/04/2020 7:41:28 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Learned behaviors can be unlearned.
Behavior is a choice.


Homosexuality is a behavior. Stealing is a behavior, drug addition is a behavior, alcoholism is a behavior. honesty is a behavior, etc.

Behaviors are complex. There are multiple causes of behaviors. Sometimes they are not the persons choice but what someone else has done such as exposure to pornography, or homo perversion as a child.

Imprinting is a large part of human behavior. Imprinting is not politically correct now.

Behaviors can be modified but it is a difficult process. Behavior modification is not politically correct these days.

Homosexuals are the behavior. They identify as the behavior. So when you say love the sinner, but hate the sin it makes no sense to them. They are the sin, you hate them.

Now if you attend a al anon meeting they will also say they are alcoholics. But when they say it, they hate the behavior.

MOST HOMOS GLORIFY IN THEIR BEHAVIOUR, THEY DON’T HATE IT. Note the tone in their voices. The fact that they identify with no regret/repentance speaks loudly.


38 posted on 08/04/2020 8:17:56 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Boogieman
“Lol. Why not? The wife is the daily witness to them.” Because if a husband would think they were qualified to lecture a wife about, say, their monthly cycle and its affect on the wife, which a husband witnesses regularly, it would be rightly seen as ludicrous. Your secondhand knowledge of the subject is always going to be vastly inferior to anyone who actually has firsthand knowledge of the subject. For subjective matters like this, there is no replacement for experience. “The homosexual man trying for that erection need only think of his male lover.”

What are you talking about? Who is "they" in your statement? Your grammar is so bad it's difficult to make any sense of it.

Men may not know about menstrual pain but they DO understand pain...especially his wife's. What a stupid comment that was.

Why CAN'T a husband comment on his wife's period? Is HIS pain SO very different? And why can't he be understanding about any pain?
You write more about YOURSELF and your lack of understanding and compassion.

Which "subjective matters" are you talking about besides this one? Or are you lumping ALL "subjective matters" into one big boogiepile?

Lol. Your logic is as bad as your grammar.
Bye-bye.

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booger is a better call sign for you, I think, since that seems to be the sum of your booger-logic.

39 posted on 08/04/2020 4:55:02 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: SeekAndFind

The hypocrisy of the left is on full display yet again.

They’re all for someone *coming out* and declaring they are gay.

When some gay decides that they are done with it and goes straight, all hell breaks loose. The weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth can be heard across the country.

Satan HATES losing ground once he’s gained it.


40 posted on 08/04/2020 5:24:02 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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