Posted on 06/25/2020 12:27:52 PM PDT by JAG 5000
I wrote the story below to poke fun at Atheists whose gods are Their Own Selves, Empiricism, Rationalism, Secularism, Logic, Science,
and what THEY claim is Rational Argumentation.
Its a dumb story but it does make a serious point.
So relax, read my short crazy story, and have a little harmless fun.
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A Very Short Story About John And Bob and Tom.
by JAG 5000
There are two atheists that are having an argument over contradictory propositions.
John Atheist and Bob Atheist.
They are having a private debate in their own thread.
They are now on page 40 in the thread and they are not writing short posts, but long drawn out lengthy screeds.
They both claim victory and claim that they have established a high degree of Probability that their position is the correct one, and that their opponent's position is incorrect.
I have utterly defeated you says John. My arguments stand at a 90% Probability of certainty and your arguments stand only at a 40% Probability of certainty and here are my reasons to support what I say.
No, all that is incorrect replies Bob. My arguments stand at a 90% Probability of certainty and your arguments only at a 40% Probability of certainty and here are my reasons to support what I say.
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The two atheists, John and Bob, decide to meet in Real World and continue their arguments.
They do this and they continue to argue back and forth for 10 days until they are near exhaustion.
Neither John or Bob will budge an inch.
How can we settle this, asks John.
Bob replies, let's go to the academic community and let them decide.
You mean we take a Majority Vote within the academic community?
Well no, replies John that would ruin our scholarly reputations and we'd be howled out of the room because everybody knows that taking a Majority Vote can not settle who has won an argument.
So my Ph.D's against your Ph.D's is not a very smart plan.
By the way Bob, again I have won and you have lost this argument.
No John, again you have lost and I have won this argument.
I know how we can settle this, said Bob, we can go and put our case before this organization:
The International World Authority That Has The Power To Decide Who Has, Or Has Not, Presented The Most Plausible Arguments.
That's a great idea replied John, but where are they located?
I don't know said Bob, lets ask Tom where we can find them.
So they asked Tom, but Tom said Listen fellas there is no such organization in the world as that, and you both should know this.
John and Bob both said well okay Tom, I guess you are right about that, but what in the world are we going to do now?
How can we settle who has won this argument with the highest degree of Plausibility?
I know how we can settle it, said John. We can let Tom settle it.
Okay said Bob, we will let Tom settle this.
Okay Tom, which one of us has won this argument?
Tom replied I declare that John has won this argument with the highest degree of Plausibility. I declare that John has won and that Bob has lost.
And so it came to pass that it was forever settled by Tom. John had won, and Bob had lost.
Ahh victory is sweet said John. I love it when I win and can know for certain that I have won.
The End.
LOL
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Yeah, I told you it was a dumb story, but it did make a few serious points if you stop and think about it seriously.
The takeaway point, in case you missed it, is that Atheists are not as smart as they think they are.
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It's true that our minds can't visualize those things, but that doesn't mean we can't conceive of them. We can't visualize 4th dimensional geometry either, but we have a rather complete conception of it, enough to make any kind of mathematical calculation in 4 dimensions that we can in 3. This is also true for the mathematical concept of infinity, which is quite an indispensible concept in mathematics, despite the fact that we do not encounter the infinite in physical reality.
“Theism does demand faith and is prompted by emotional need.”
Nonsense. Prove it.
“No, because everything the intelligent must deal with is ruled by probability.”
What does that mean? Do you think the universe is purely probabilistic?
As an aside, I’m curious why you think this is a productive line of argument. Don’t you realize that, if you were able to actually support this argument, that it would only serve to completely invalidate ALL of your arguments? If intelligent beings are ruled by probability, rather than making deterministic choices, then a consequence of that is that all of your arguments (since you are an intelligent being) are now meaningless, and therefore invalid. Why would you attempt to make a line of argument that, if successful, would instantly invalidate your thesis?
Because I don't really care. I don't need to have what you will accept as a cogent argument to feel comfortable, or to earn your permission to not believe. I don't believe in any gods because
1) it's clear to me they are made up by humans (mostly because of all the human attributes they supposedly have, like jealousy and anger) and
2) the existence of the universe doesn't need explaining. It's here because it's here. To me, that's the end of it. I attempt to answer your questions because you asked them, not because it matters.
“Because I don’t really care.”
Well, that’s a relief. If you don’t care that your own arguments are flawed, then I don’t have to waste anymore of my time pointing it out.
No, don’t waste your time. Because you are the only one of the two of us who sees these flaws. It looks fine to me.
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