Pagan Idols Set Up in English Martyrs Church

Church MIlitant ^ | May 14, 2020 | Jules Gomes

[ebb tide]

Ping

[ClearCase_guy]

"Pope Francis has appealed for a Day of Prayer and Fasting and Works of Charity for believers of all religions on 14 May"

The Pope probably thinks he's smart to hedge his bets. You know, in case that Yahweh guy turns out to be a fairy tale. Maybe Ganesh the elephant god will turn to be real and save us all, if we pray to him.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I pray every day that our good God will — in the way He knows best —— curb the destructive policies of this lamentable pontificate, and silence all lying mouths.

[Boogieman]

” the idols of Shiva and Buddha, alongside an icon of Jesus the Good Shepherd and an African carving”

Where is the idol of Kali the goddess of death with her sacrifices of severed human heads?!?

How uninclusive!

[Boogieman]

Ah, the old Elvis approach. He used to wear a crucifix and a star of David necklace, and when people asked why he said “I don’t want to die and find out I missed out on heaven on a technicality.”

[Mrs. Don-o]

If this baffled pastor wants to portray all of us brothers and sisters worldwide praying to the one God, why doesn’t he use pictures and artifacts of African, South American, South Asia, East Asian, etc. CHRISTIANS praying to Jesus Christ Our Lord?

[Gamecock]

Nothing to see here...

[BigJimSportCamper]

Yep. Assisi 1986 too. I’d post a pic if I knew how.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I recognize (and wince at) the scandalous potential of a gesture like that, but it was pointed out at the time that Pope John Paul II's custom was to kiss all gifts as a sign of respect to the givers, and that included beach balls, soccer jerseys, flowers, T-shirts, musical innstruments, banana bread and bottles of beer.

I personally would never have done such a thing to a Koran and would have counseled JP2 against doing it, but whatever painful ambiguity involved should have been washed away by his super-clear and unambiguous teaching encyclicals Redemptor hominis "The Redeemer of Man" (on Jesus' unique and irreplaceable role as the Savior of the World) and Redemptoris missio "Mission of the Redeemer" (on the permanent urgency of the Church's missionary mandate to carry out the Great Commission to bring the whole world to Christ.)

Incidentally, I might not be so quick to give a "benefit of the doubt" to Pope Francis making a similar gesture. I hope I am not being unfair, but it would be because Pope Francis seems both unwilling and unable to make crystal-clear doctrinal statements on anything --- his intent, even according to his own explanation, seems to be to create new ambiguities, which is a hugely severe problem: "God is not the Author of confusion".

[BenLurkin]

Unbelievable

[backwoods-engineer]

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine...

Come Lord Jesus.

[Marchmain]

No symbol for Islam in the display?

[ebb tide]

I didn't see any in that photo, but moose-limbs definitely played a part in Bergoglio’s day of syncretism:

[ebb tide]

I recognize (and wince at) the scandalous potential of a gesture like that, but it was pointed out at the time that Pope John Paul II's custom was to kiss all gifts as a sign of respect to the givers, and that included beach balls, soccer jerseys, flowers, T-shirts, musical innstruments, banana bread and bottles of beer.

Pope John Paul II however did invoke:

"May Saint John Baptist protect Islam and all the people of Jordan, and all who partecipated in this celebration, a memorable celebration", on March 21, 2000. It's on the Vatican website. VISIT TO WADI AL-KHARRAR

And I consider JP II's 1986 Assisi Apostasy to be a precedent, a compliment, and no different from today's apostasy by Bergoglio.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I think it was a verbal gaffe to say "protect Islam" instead of something which is quite different, "protect Muslims" --- at least I hope it was just a gaffe.

I try to see errors without imputing the worst interpretation--- if the situation allows.

[ebb tide]

I think it was a verbal gaffe to say "protect Islam" instead of something which is quite different, "protect Muslims" --- at least I hope it was just a gaffe.

Unfortunately, I'm unable to share your optimism.

John Paul II and the Muslims

P.S. Why invoke St. John the Baptist, who was beheaded, protect muslims, who are still beheading Christians?

[Mrs. Don-o]

We protect Muslims (and Mormons and Scientologists and polytheists and Calvinists and Peronists and whomever) because they are persons, not because they are "right."

[ebb tide]

“Islam” is a cult not a person(s).

[ebb tide]

Pope John Paul II to the Islamic community, Sarajevo, April 13, 1997:

To this faith in God, which draws Muslims close to the believers of the other monotheistic religions, is added the consideration that the Islamic tradition preserves great respect for the memory of Jesus, esteemed as a great prophet, and for Mary, his Virgin Mother.

Could not the Vicar of Christ declare Jesus Christ to be God, not just a "prophet"?

Talk about Peronists: tell people what they want to hear.