Posted on 02/19/2020 9:33:54 AM PST by SeekAndFind
In an article in “The Christian Post” on whether the Flood of Noah covered the entire globe, Hugh Ross contended that the Flood was not global in extent but regional.
Taking Genesis as straightforward history, the reader of the text should have little difficulty understanding the account of the Flood in chapters 6–8. We are told that “the fountains of the great deep” burst open and poured out water onto the earth's surface for 150 days. The “floodgates of heaven” were open, producing torrential rainfall. These passages express a flood of global geographical extent. This view is confirmed by the words “all” and “whole” in Genesis 7:19: “And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered.”
Furthermore, we read that all mankind was blotted out (except the eight people on the Ark). Genesis 6:7–13 tells us why God sent the Flood judgment: “The Lord said, ‘I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky.’” The Flood also came to destroy all land animals and birds wherever they were located, not just to kill sinful humans who were not on the Ark.
Furthermore, the Flood account is irreconcilable with a watery event being localized in the Mesopotamian Valley. As noted above, Genesis 7 teaches that “all the mountains were covered.” Because water will always seek its own level, how could the mountains be covered in only one region without also covering mountains in adjoining areas?
Likewise, there is no biblical or logical reason to assume that all humanity before the Flood lived only in the Mesopotamian Valley. Genesis 4 indicates that early man built cities, had nomadic herds of animals, and explored the earth (v. 17–22).
In 2 Peter 3, the Apostle Peter warned of a future time when people would willfully forget that after the earth was created by God, it perished “being flooded with water,” and that the present earth is “reserved for fire until the day of judgment.” Three events are referred to: the creation of the world (Greek “kosmos”), the destruction of that world (“kosmos” again) by a watery cataclysm (the Flood), and the future destruction of the heavens and the earth by fire. In other words, Peter accepted the Flood was global because the creation of the world was global and the future judgment by fire is to be global. This passage leaves no doubt that God’s Word — including in the New Testament — teaches a global Flood.
If the Flood were only regional in extent, why would Noah have even had to take birds on board the ark (Genesis 7:8) when the birds could have simply flown away to safe, unflooded areas? Similarly, why would Noah have needed to take land animals on board the Ark when representatives of those same animal kinds would surely have survived in an unflooded area?
Furthermore, why would Noah have had to build the ark to an immense scale as specified in Genesis 6:15 (about 510 feet long, 84 feet wide, and 51 feet high)? With three decks, the Ark would have had a total area of about 125,000 square feet for all the needed animals (and supplies). Obviously, an Ark of such dimensions would only be required if the Flood were global in extent, which was intended by God to destroy all land animals and birds living around the world (except for those preserved on that Ark). Because the Bible teaches that Noah was warned of the Flood several decades before it came (Genesis 6:3), God could have simply told Noah and his family to migrate out of the region with any required land animals and birds before the Flood started.
Finally, God gave the covenant of the rainbow to remind people He will never again send such a Flood. If Noah’s Flood was regional, then God has broken His promise over and over again because there have been multiple regional floods over the millennia.
Both the Old and New Testaments teach that the Flood of Noah was global. It could not be clearer. For the scientific evidence that confirms a global Flood, we have several articles by PhD geologists and others found on our website of www.AnswersInGenesis.org
This topic is ultimately one about the authority of God's Word, which plainly teaches a global Flood. Why should we accept the ever-changing opinions of fallible men as they reinterpret what the infallible God clearly communicated to us in Genesis?
Ken Ham is the CEO of the Ark Encounter, an evangelistic attraction that draws well over a million people a year to tour its full-size Noah’s Ark in N. Kentucky.
His theory was that most of it fell at the poles.
He also made the argument that the trade winds went north/south rather than east/west. And the temperature difference from equator to pole would have been around three degrees.
It couldn't have been that long otherwise all those plants would have died for lack of sunlight, would they not?
American Indians had a legend /story of a flood where they were making huge canoes for woman and children. One of the things to look for when arrowhead hunting is to find the highest point of land in the area where you are looking for points.
But the Bible says that only Noah and his family survived. So who survived from that legend to tell the tale?
“dating out to 5K years is preposterous”
Could it be preposterous that those who interpreted the said historical and archaeological findings want to prove there is no God more than than they want to find truth?
You know these same academics that say that socialism is great and always has a great outcome or say that if homosexual sex done safely is okay without no risk? Those same folks are not using science by any means because with a little research one can find the exact opposite it the truth.
You can chose to trust these folks, but I will stick with the Word of God that has a far better track record of truth.
Not a feasible proposition, since one side of the earth would be roasted. instead, I propose that perhaps when man sinned then death began, and so affected the basis for determining organic decay that even a 3-month old rock would test to be millions of years old.
Then there is speculation on Redshift are regards starlight.
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. (Genesis 2:5-6)
In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. (Genesis 7:11)
You mean all the mountains we have now existed then and as high?
Scientists Discover a Vast Reservoir of Freshwater Hidden Beneath The Ocean 
a mostly "continuous submarine aquifer system spans at least 350 km [217 miles] of the US Atlantic coast and contains about 2,800 cubic kilometres of low-salinity groundwater"... the groundwater reservoir might even extend farther than that. ,https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-discover-vast-reservoir-of-fresh-water-hidden-off-the-us-coast
Since Scripture describes only universal wickedness, and this universal judgment, then restricting all this to a local event in unwarranted.
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth ; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. (Genesis 6:5-7)
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven ; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. (Genesis 6:17)
And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: (Genesis 7:21)
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; (2 Peter 2:5)
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished : (2 Peter 3:5-6)
Ah! You are responding well to the Socratic method of teaching.
He knows more about what he is talking about than you do. By the way, he is going by the Biblical account, so yeah he knows what he is talking about.
I would suggest you read his books before you sit there and attack him.
There were common ancient floods where a man loaded a ship full of animals to prevent them from being destroyed?
The separation of the continents happened after the flood and tower of babel.
There were common ancient floods where a man loaded a ship full of animals to prevent them from being destroyed?
Video version: The Flood of Noah, Local or Global?
From his Facebook page:
"Many Christians think I believe Noah’s flood was universal but not global because of the scientific evidence. Some even think I put science above Scripture. In truth, I am convinced based on the Bible itself that Noah’s flood cannot possibly be global in extent. I explain why in much detail in six chapters of my book, Improbable Planet."
Then why didn't the cureloms and cumoms continue to exist past the Lamanites and Nephiites??
| "And they also had horses, and asses, and there were elephants, and cureloms, and cumoms; all of which were useful unto man, and more especially the elephants, and cureloms, and cumoms" (Ether 9:19). So far, we know that cureloms are USEFUL. "After they [the Jaredites] had come down into this valley by the command of the Lord they collected seeds and grain of every kind, and animals of almost every description, among which, no doubt, were the elephant and the curelom and the cumom, very huge animals that existed in those days, and after travelling and crossing, we suppose, the sea that was east of where the Tower of Babel stood, and travelling through the wilderness many days, with their flocks and herds, their grain and substance, they eventually came to the great Pacific ocean, on the eastern borders of China or somewhere in that region" (Orson Pratt, JoD 12:339-340). Now we know that cureloms are VERY HUGE ANIMALS. This rules out tapirs and salamanders. "Now to prepare them against these contingencies, and that they might, have fresh air for the benefit of the elephants, cureloms or mammoths and many other animals, that perhaps were in them, as well as the human beings they contained, the Lord told them how to construct them in order to receive air, that when they were on the top of the water, whichever side up their vessels happened to be, it mattered not; they were so constructed that they could ride safely, though bottom upwards and they could open their air holes that happened to be uppermost" (Orson Pratt, JoD 12:340). Finally Orson reveals all: Cureloms are MAMMOTHS! And the Jaredites had elephants and mammoths in their barges with them! I want to bear you my testimony that I know all this is true, and we are so blessed to have the scriptures and the Journal of Discourses to tell us about cureloms. Inthenameofjesuschristamen. |
Water; in a vacuum, will boil away to a gas; then vanish
And behold, because of the thing which I have seen, I have reason to rejoice in the Lord because of aNephi and also of Sam;
for I have reason to suppose that they, and also many of their seed, will be saved.
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