Posted on 11/10/2019 4:02:07 AM PST by metmom
For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come (Matthew 11:1314).
All of Gods Old Testament revelation climaxed in John the Baptist. And the apostle John picked up the theme (which at times had been only implicit) that said, The Messiah is coming!
The Lord Jesus suggests a close likeness between John and the prophet Elijah, based on Malachis prophecy, which are the final words of the Old Testament: Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord. He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse (Mal. 4:56).
That Malachi referred to the future John the Baptist and not a literally reincarnated Elijah is clear when we look at Luke 1:17It is he [John] who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah. John himself clearly denied that he was actually Elijah come back (John 1:21). Rather he was like Elijahinwardly in spirit and power and outwardly in independence and nonconformity.
John was uniquely great, in the mold of Elijah and more so than any man but Jesus; but Gods highest bestowing of greatness is not Johns. His greatness, Jesus declared, pales beside those like us who enter Gods spiritual kingdom by trusting in the Son as Lord and Savior. Thus true greatness is to be like Jesus Christ, not like Elijah or John the Baptist.
Ask Yourself
Spirit and power. How could these words more readily describe you and your ministry in the kingdom? Are these characteristics the sole possession of the overly demonstrably inclined? Or does spirit and power even have a gentle side in the cause of Christ?
Another question: Why does so much of the KJ version of the bible appear so often in the Book of Mormon?
We KNOW in came into being LONG after the Golden Plates® were supposedly inscribed.
Did you lookup the reference that WAS given in my reply?
I see.
Variety must have been saved for earlier stuff.
Version Number When Published Brief Description |
Age/Year | Evil Power | Pillar of Light or Fire |
Number of Personages |
Father | Son | Question: Join What Sect |
Remarks |
Official Version,
Mormon scripture,
Pearl of Great Price
p. 47, 48, 1974 Ed. |
Age 14 1820 |
Yes | Yes Light |
2 | Yes | Yes | Join None | Lucy, Hyrum, Samuel, Sopronia Join Presbyterian Church 1820 |
Paper by Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons March, April 1842 |
Same as item 1 above | |||||||
Letter from Joseph Smith
to John Wentworth, editor Chicago Democrat
1841 account Published March 1,1842 |
None given | No | No | 2 | ? | ? | No question, told all incorrect |
Joseph Smith's First Vision by Milton V. Backman Jr. Bookcraft, Appendix D. Ensign, Jan.1985, p. 16 |
Both looked the Same They spoke |
||||||||
Dictated by Joseph Smith,
in hand of James Mulholland, 1838
|
Same as item 1 above, first known account of the official version. |
Ensign,
Jan. 1985 p. 14
|
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Joseph Smith's diary of 1835, Recorded by
Warren Cowdery
Nov. 9, 1835, conversation of Joseph Smith with Joshua
|
Joseph, about 14 | No Tongue seemed swollen; heard someone; at first couldn't pray |
Yes Fire |
One, and then another like unto the first | ? | ? | No question, told sins are forgiven, Jesus Christ is the Son of God |
Joseph Smith's First Vision
by Milton V. Backman Jr. Bookcraft, Appendix B
|
Second spoke. | ||||||||
Saw many angels | ||||||||
Messenger & Advocate
by Oliver Cowdery supervised by
Joseph Smith
Feb. 1835
p. 77-79;
Also see Dec. 1834 p. 43
|
Joseph 17 1823 |
No | Yes | 1 |
No | No | No question told sin are forgiven | Note on pg. 78 that the revival was in 1823 (NOT 1820) so this must be the First Vision. |
Messenger from God | ||||||||
Dictated by Joseph Smith
to F. G. Williams Summer to Nov. 1832
|
Joseph 14 or 16 | No | Yes | 1 | No | Yes | No question, told "None doeth good", sins forgiven |
Joseph Smith's First Vision
by Milton V. Backman Jr. Bookcraft, Appendix A
|
Saw Lord (Jesus) he "spoke" | ||||||||
Written by Joseph Smith, 1832 diary | Joseph 15 | No | Yes | 1 | No | Yes | No question, told sins forgiven all do no good |
Ensign,
Dec. 1984 pgs. 24-26
Jan. 1985 pg. 11
|
Saw the Lord Jesus Christ (said He was crucified) | ||||||||
Early Church leaders
B. Young,
G. A. Smith,
J. Taylor
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Joseph 15 | No | No | 1 | No | No | Join None | Journal of Discourses, 2:171; 18:239; 13:77,78; 20:167; 12:333,334 |
Saw an angel, and asked the angel |
I'm sure that SHIZ would like a little bit of 'actual evidence' to back up HIS story; too.
When is SLC gonna dig into the hill called Cumorah?
Oh; wait.
That's NOT where the World's Largest Battle was fought; was it.
I've just gotten back from a week in Branson and still coming down from billboard overload.)
Replies #14 and 15 await your fine toothed comb.
For example, from an essay in BYU Studies he cites the Charles C. Rich version of a pregnant Eliza heavy with child being shoved down the stairs by a furious Emma. Nowhere does he tell the reader that these authors concluded that the story given the present evidence was untenable:
But where are we?But where are we? Faced with a folk legend, with genuine documents that tell no tales, and dubious ones that contradict themselves and the contemporary accounts, perhaps it is best for us to respond as we must to many paradoxes of our history: consider thoughtfully and then place all the evidence carefully on the shelf, awaiting further documentation, or the Millennium, whichever should come first.[1]
A 'book' on gold plates; none of which are in evidence, tales thereon that cannot be documented, perhaps a person needs to collect whatever 'evidence' is available and weigh ALL of it; not just selected apologetic spin.
OK...
https://religionnews.com/2013/04/23/the-reinvention-of-mormon-emma-smith/
OK..."
ELSIE; This is from your reference, the kind of fact you seem to like:
"including a much-debated stair-pushing catfight with Eliza R. Snow."
YOU JUST PROVED PAUL IS NOT A PROPHET AND APOSTLE
Please make up a chart like that one for Paul's vision and you will see how dumb the one you use for the First Vision is.
Much debated is not the same as disproven
Ill let you make a chart
Elsie I see you do not care.
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