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Catholicism made me Protestant
First Things ^ | 9/11/2019 | Onsi A. Kamel

Posted on 09/11/2019 10:52:15 AM PDT by Gamecock

Like all accounts of God’s faithfulness, mine begins with a genealogy. In the late seventeenth century, my mother’s Congregationalist ancestors journeyed to the New World to escape what they saw as England’s deadly compromise with Romanism. Centuries later, ­American Presbyterians converted my father’s great-­grandmother from Coptic ­Orthodoxy to ­Protestantism. Her son became a Presbyterian minister in the Evangelical Coptic Church. By the time my parents were ­living in ­twenty-first-century Illinois, their families’ historic Reformed commitments had been replaced by non-denominational, ­Baptistic ­evangelicalism.

This form of Christianity dominated my Midwestern hometown. My parents taught me to love God, revere the Scriptures, and seek truth through reason. In middle school, my father introduced me to theology, and as a present for my sixteenth birthday he arranged a meeting between me and a Catholic philosopher, Dr. B—. From high school into college, Dr. B— introduced me to Catholic thought and graciously helped me work through my doubts about Christianity. How could a just and loving God not reveal himself equally to everyone? What are we to make of the Bible’s creation stories and flood narrative? Did Calvinism make God the author of evil? My acquaintance with Dr. B— set my intellectual trajectory for several years.

The causes of any conversion (or near conversion) are many and confused. Should I foreground psychological and social factors or my theological reasoning? Certain elements of my attraction to Catholicism were adolescent, like a sixties radical’s attraction to Marx or a contemporary activist’s to intersectionality: I aimed to preserve the core beliefs of my upbringing while fleeing their bourgeois expressions. When I arrived at the University of Chicago, I knew just enough about Calvinism to hold it in ­contempt—which is to say, I knew very little. Reacting against the middle-aged leaders of the inaptly named “Young, Restless, and Reformed Movement,” I sought refuge in that other great ­Western ­theological tradition: ­Roman ­Catholicism.

During my first year of college, I became involved in campus Catholic life. Through the influence of the Catholic student group and the Lumen Christi Institute, which hosts lectures by Catholic intellectuals, my theologically inclined college friends began converting to Catholicism, one after another. These friends were devout, intelligent, and schooled in Christian history. I met faithful and holy Catholic priests—one of whom has valiantly defended the faith for years, drawing punitive opposition from his own religious superiors, as well as the ire of Chicago’s archbishop. This priest was and is to me the very model of a holy, righteous, and courageous man.

I loved Catholicism because Catholics taught me to love the Church. At Lumen Christi events, I heard about saints and mystics, stylites and monastics, desert fathers and late-antique theologians. I was captivated by the holy martyrs, relics, Mary, and the Mass. I found in the Church a spiritual mother and the mother of all the faithful. Through Catholicism, I came into an inheritance: a past of saints and redeemed sinners from all corners of the earth, theologians who illuminated the deep things of God, music and art that summon men to worship God “in the beauty of holiness,” and a tradition to ground me in a world of flux.

Catholicism, which I took to be the Christianity of history, was a world waiting to be discovered. I set about exploring, and I tried to bring others along. I debated tradition with my mother, sola Scriptura with my then fiancée (now wife), and the meaning of the Eucharist with my father. On one occasion, a Reformed professor dispensed with my arguments for transubstantiation in a matter of minutes.

Not long after this, I began to notice discrepancies between Catholic apologists’ map of the tradition and the terrain I encountered in the tradition itself. St. Ambrose’s doctrine of justification sounded a great deal more like Luther’s sola fide than like Trent. St. John Chrysostom’s teaching on repentance and absolution—“Mourn and you annul the sin”—would have been more at home in Geneva than Paris. St. Thomas’s doctrine of predestination, much to my horror, was nearly identical to the Synod of Dordt’s. The Anglican divine Richard Hooker quoted Irenaeus, ­Chrysostom, ­Augustine, and Pope Leo I as he rejected doctrines and practices because they were not grounded in Scripture. He cited Pope Gregory the Great on the “­ungodly” title of universal bishop. The Council of ­Nicaea assumed that Alexandria was on a par with Rome, and Chalcedon declared that the Roman patriarchate was privileged only “because [Rome] was the royal city.” In short, I began to wonder whether the Reformers had a legitimate claim to the Fathers. The Church of Rome could not be straightforwardly identified as catholic.

John Henry Newman became my crucial interlocutor: More than in Ratzinger, Wojtyła, or Congar, in Newman I found a kindred spirit. Here was a man obsessed with the same questions that ate at me, questions of tradition and authority. With Newman, I agonized over conversion. I devoured his Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine and his Apologia pro Vita Sua. Two of his ideas were pivotal for me: his theory of doctrinal development and his articulation of the problem of private judgment. On these two ideas hung all the claims of Rome.

In retrospect, I see that Newman’s need to construct a theory of doctrinal development tells against Rome’s claims of continuity with the ancient Church. And at the time, though I wished to accept Newman’s proposal that “the early condition, and the evidence, of each doctrine . . . ought consistently to be interpreted by means of that development which was ultimately attained,” I could not. One could only justify such assumptions if one were already committed to Roman Catholic doctrine and Rome’s meaningful continuity with what came before. Without either of these commitments, I simply could not find a plausible reason to speak of “development” rather than “disjuncture,” especially because what came before so often contradicted what followed.

The issue of ecclesiastical authority was trickier for me. I recognized the absurdity of a twenty-year-old presuming to adjudicate claims about the Scriptures and two thousand years of history. Newman’s arguments against private judgment therefore had a prima facie plausibility for me. In his Apologia, Newman argues that man’s rebellion against God introduced an “anarchical condition of things,” leading human thought toward “suicidal excesses.” Hence, the fittingness of a divinely established living voice infallibly proclaiming supernatural truths. In his discourse on “Faith and Private Judgment,” Newman castigates Protestants for refusing to “surrender” reason in matters religious. The implication is that reason is unreliable in matters of revelation. Faith is assent to the incontestable, self-evident truth of God’s revelation, and reasoning becomes an excuse to refuse to bend the knee.

The more I internalized ­Newman’s claims about private judgment, however, the more I descended into skepticism. I could not reliably interpret the Scriptures, history, or God’s Word preached and given in the sacraments. But if I could not do these things, if my reason was unfit in matters religious, how was I to assess Newman’s arguments for Roman Catholicism? Newman himself had once recognized this dilemma, writing in a pre-conversion letter, “We have too great a horror of the principle of private judgment to trust it in so immense a matter as that of changing from one communion to another.” Did he expect me to forfeit the faculty by which I adjudicate truth claims, because that faculty is fallible? My ­conversion would have to be rooted in my private ­judgment—but, because of Rome’s claim of infallibility, conversion would forbid me from exercising that faculty ever again on doctrinal questions.

Finally, the infighting among traditionalist, conservative, and liberal Catholics made plain that Catholics did not gain by their magisterium a clear, living voice of divine authority. They received from the past a set of magisterial documents that had to be weighed and interpreted, often over against living prelates. The ­magisterium of prior ages only multiplied the texts one had to interpret for oneself, for living bishops, it turns out, are as bad at reading as the rest of us.

But I did not remain a Protestant merely because I could not become a Catholic. While I was discovering that Roman Catholicism could not be straightforwardly identified with the catholicism of the first six centuries (nor, in certain respects, with that of the seventh century through the twelfth), and as I was wrestling with Newman, I finally began reading the Reformers. What I found shocked me. Catholicism had, by this time, reoriented my theological concerns around the concerns of the Church catholic. My assumptions, and the issues that animated me, were those of the Church of history. My evangelical upbringing had led me to believe that Protestantism entailed the rejection of these concerns. But this notion exploded upon contact with the Protestantism of history.

Martin Luther, John Calvin, Richard Hooker, Herman Bavinck, Karl Barth—they wrestled with the concerns of the Church catholic and provided answers to the questions Catholicism had taught me to pose. Richard Hooker interpreted the Church’s traditions; Calvin followed Luther’s Augustinianism, proclaimed the visible Church the mother of the faithful, and claimed for the Reformation the Church’s exegetical tradition; Barth convinced me that God’s Word could speak, certainly and surely, from beyond all created realities, to me.

Catholicism had taught me to think like a Protestant, because, as it turned out, the Reformers had thought like catholics. Like their pope-aligned opponents, they had asked questions about justification, the authority of tradition, the mode of Christ’s self-gift in the Eucharist, the nature of apostolic succession, and the Church’s wielding of the keys. Like their opponents, Protestants had appealed to Scripture and tradition. In time, I came to find their answers not only plausible, but more faithful to Scripture than the Catholic answers, and at least as well-represented in the traditions of the Church.

The Protestants did more than out-catholic the Catholics. They also spoke to the deepest needs of sinful souls. I will never forget the moment when, like Luther five hundred years earlier, I discovered justification by faith alone through union with Christ. I was sitting in my dorm room by myself. I had been assigned Luther’s Explanations of the Ninety-Five ­Theses, and I expected to find it facile. A year or two prior, I had decided that Trent was right about justification: It was entirely a gift of grace consisting of the gradual perfecting of the soul by faith and works—God instigating and me cooperating. For years, I had attempted to live out this model of justification. I had gone to Mass regularly, prayed the rosary with friends, fasted frequently, read the Scriptures daily, prayed earnestly, and sought advice from spiritual directors. I had begun this arduous cooperation with God’s grace full of hope; by the time I sat in that dorm room alone, I was distraught and demoralized. I had learned just how wretched a sinner I was: No good work was unsullied by pride, no repentance unaccompanied by expectations of future sin, no love free from selfishness.

In this state, I picked up my copy of that arch-heretic Luther and read his explanation of Thesis 37: “Any true Christian, whether living or dead, participates in all the blessings of Christ and the church; and this is granted him by God, even without indulgence letters.” With these words, Luther transformed my understanding of justification: Every Christian possesses Christ, and to possess Christ is to possess all of Christ’s righteousness, life, and merits. Christ had joined me to himself.

I had “put on Christ” in baptism and, by faith through the work of the Spirit, all things were mine, and I was Christ’s, and Christ was God’s (Gal. 3:27; 1 Cor. 3:21–23). His was not an uncertain mercy; his was not a grace of parts, which one hoped would become a whole; his was not a salvation to be attained, as though it were not already also a present possession. At that moment, the joy of my salvation poured into my soul. I wept and showed forth God’s praise. I had finally discovered the true ground and power of Protestantism: “My beloved is mine, and I am his” (Song 2:16).

Rome had brought me to ­Reformation.


TOPICS: Catholic; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: catholic; charismatic; conversion; evangelical; kamel; onsiakamel; protestantism; romancatholic; romancatholicism; tiber
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To: ebb tide; MHGinTN
Faith and Works. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the imprisoned, etc.

So the sinless, perfect righteousness of Christ isn't good enough for you?

You think you have to add your sin stained *works* to make up for what Jesus didn't do or something?

301 posted on 09/12/2019 6:50:25 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide; MHGinTN
Faith and Works. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the imprisoned, etc.

So here it also looks like you are saying that since you have to add those things to Christ's sinless perfect holy righteousness to be saved, that Jesus didn't do those things and that you have to do them because Jesus was lacking in those areas.

Have you read the Gospels lately?

302 posted on 09/12/2019 6:51:58 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: MHGinTN

Are you saying all baptized persons have tickets to Heaven?

Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler were both baptized.

P.S. You’re born again when you’re baptized. This mumbo jumbo about another “birth” after baptism is crazy and not biblical.


303 posted on 09/12/2019 6:53:31 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ealgeone
God's grace, His goodness, allows to us to be saved throughr faith. And that faith is in Christ. It is God Who has made this provision available to us

Agreed.

Again Paul is clearly teaching there is nothing we can do to earn or merit our salvation. It is God Who gives this to us. It is free to us.

Agreed.

Paul continues to make it clear here there are no deeds good enough for salvation. This is pointing back to faith and that faith is in Christ.

Agreed.

IF it is not a result of works. IF it is not a result of anything we can do then it comes down to faith as Paul noted in the beginning of these verses.

Agreed.

A believer in Christ will produce fruit.

Disagree. A believer should produce fruit by the grace of God but often fails to do so by his own choice.

You can do a million good deeds but without faith in Christ you will not be saved.

Agreed. But why do you even bring this up? Catholic no more believe in by works alone than they do by faith alone. They both must be present.

304 posted on 09/12/2019 6:53:58 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Luircin
You have to use what you got! When the word of God is no more authoritative than the musings of men, what you're left with is strawmen and talking points. It would be funny if it weren't so soul destroying.
305 posted on 09/12/2019 6:54:16 PM PDT by boatbums (semper reformanda secundum verbum dei)
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To: metmom
So here it also looks like you are saying that since you have to add those things to Christ's sinless perfect holy righteousness to be saved, that Jesus didn't do those things and that you have to do them because Jesus was lacking in those areas.

I didn't add them; Jesus Christ did. Take up you complaints with Him.

306 posted on 09/12/2019 6:55:48 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: metmom
If works played a role in either attaining or maintaining our salvation, then people would have something to boast about in God’s presence and HE would not get all the glory for the work done in our lives.

Not if our good works are only by the grace of God through faith.

307 posted on 09/12/2019 6:56:55 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: metmom
You think you have to add your sin stained *works* to make up for what Jesus didn't do or something?

Why don't you ask Jesus Christ? Why did He instruct us to perform works of mercy?

308 posted on 09/12/2019 6:59:22 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide; MHGinTN
Faith and Works. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the imprisoned, etc.

There's also the consideration that when Jesus did those works that He did them holy and pure and without sin stain, and for all the right reasons.

When we do our works, they are tainted with sin from the get go and even our motivation is suspect, which makes the works not God's kind of holy in His eyes.

Jesus did His works because He always did what He saw the Father doing.

When someone is doing them as part of working for salvation, their motive is wrong because it's self-centered, not other centered.

It's not done out of godly love from a pure heart but rather as a tool by which to manipulate God into forcing His hand to let that person into heaven. Which invalidates the work as being worthy of being considered salvific.

So doing the right works with the wrong motivation invalidates them.

On rare occasion, I suppose that someone might just be able to accidentally do something out of pure, godly love for the other person that is unstained by self, but I'm guessing that's pretty unlikely and pretty rare.

BTW, what if your list of works acceptable for earning salvation is different from someone else's?

How do you know who's right?

309 posted on 09/12/2019 6:59:30 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
So doing the right works with the wrong motivation invalidates them.

Glad to see you're admitting works are necessary with faith.

310 posted on 09/12/2019 7:01:36 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: rollo tomasi

Call no man father.


311 posted on 09/12/2019 7:03:35 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: rollo tomasi

What do I say?

You’re wrong.

There’s no contradiction.

Neither passage advocates living a sinful lifestyle.


312 posted on 09/12/2019 7:06:08 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
It's not done out of godly love from a pure heart but rather as a tool by which to manipulate God into forcing His hand to let that person into heaven.

Where do you come up with such preposterous nonsense?

313 posted on 09/12/2019 7:06:18 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

I’m asking YOU.

Don’t pass the buck.


314 posted on 09/12/2019 7:08:23 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
Call no man father.

What do/did your kids call your husband?

315 posted on 09/12/2019 7:08:34 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: Rashputin
Drink from that delusional swamp of Roman Catholicism??? YUK! No thanks! I will always drink the water of life:

Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again. But whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a fount of water springing up to eternal life.” (John 4:13,14)

For the Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd. He will lead them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. (Rev.7:17)

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that hears say, Come. And let him that is thirsty come. And whoever will, let him take the water of life freely. (Rev. 22:17)

316 posted on 09/12/2019 7:09:09 PM PDT by boatbums (semper reformanda secundum verbum dei)
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To: ebb tide

Works are not necessary with faith.

Works do NOT contribute to salvation.

One is saved and then the result of the salvation creates a changed heart that results in works.

It’s: Faith = Salvation + works.

Not: Faith + works = Salvation.

You all have the formula wrong.


317 posted on 09/12/2019 7:10:12 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

Afraid to ask Jesus?

I feel sorry for you.


318 posted on 09/12/2019 7:10:29 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

Anyone who says they must do works to get into heaven.


319 posted on 09/12/2019 7:10:57 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

You have the wrong formula.

Grace => Faith (submission of the intellect) + Works (submission of the will) => Salvation


320 posted on 09/12/2019 7:14:14 PM PDT by Petrosius
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