Posted on 09/11/2019 7:20:39 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
Don't let your bishop find out!!
Temple Recommend Questions
#7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
Speaking of Temple Recommends; I've been trying to find out just when the changes in the questions take place.
I've not found much at all that actually SHOWS the process of this action.
For instance, we have the Old questions and the New questions; but surely there must be SOME documentation somewhere that explains how, why and when they took place.
I'd appreciate any input on this.
Temple Recommend Questions: 1857
1. Have you committed murder by shedding innocent blood, or consenting thereto?
2. Have you betrayed your brethren or sisters in anything?
3. Have you committed adultery, by having any connection with a woman that was not your wife, or a man that was not your husband?
4. Have you taken and made use of property not your own, without the consent of the owner?
5. Have you cut hay where you had no right to, or turned your animals into another person’s grain or field, without his knowledge and consent?
6. Have you lied about or maliciously misrepresented any person or thing?
7. Have you borrowed anything that you have not returned, or paid for?
8. Have you borne false witness against your neighbor?
9. Have you taken the name of Deity in vain?
10. Have you coveted anything not your own?
11. Have you been intoxicated with strong drink?
12. Have you found lost property and not returned it to the owner, or used all diligence to do so?
13. Have you branded an animal that you did not know to be your own?
14. Have you taken another’s horse or mule from the range and rode it, without the owner's consent?
15. Have you fulfilled your promises in paying your debts, or run into debt without prospect of paying?
16. Have you taken water to irrigate with, when it belonged to another person at the time you used it?
17. Do you pay your tithing promptly?
18. Do you teach her family the gospel of salvation?
19. Do you speak against your brethren, or against any principle taught in the Bible, Book of Mormon, book of Doctrine and Covenants, revelations given to Joseph Smith the Prophet and the Presidency of the Church as now organized?
20. Do you pray in your family night and morning and attend to secret prayer?
21. Do you wash your body and have your family do so, as often as health and cleanliness require and circumstances will permit?
22. Do you labor six days and rest, or go to the house of worship, on the seventh?
23. Do you preside over your household as a servant of God, and is your family subject to you?
24. Have you labored diligently and earned faithfully the wages paid you by your employers?
25. Do you oppress the hireling in his wages?
26. Have you taken up and converted any stray animal to your own use, or in any manner appropriated one to your benefit, without accounting therefore to the proper authorities?
#21 is especially intriguing...
“Speaking of Temple Recommends; I’ve been trying to find out just when the changes in the questions take place.”
Here is a good place to start.
Journal of Mormon History Vol. 24, No. 1, 1998
Nice twist of the truth to create a false impression. Pretending that I cannot agree with you about”ABORTION kills that many EVERY day!” Just because you disagree with me about the nature of Heavenly Father and His son Jesus the Christ.
I did not come up with the words on the TR.
Mormons did.
Here is the FACT:
7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
It did NOT state anything other than AGREE WITH.
I'm the INDIVIDUAL and my teachings and practices ARE contrary to MormonISM.
That you've pointed out the illogic of the TR question should concern you.
BTW; the whole thing was meant to be a joke anyway.
You must have a current TR card or else you probably would not have gotten so upset with my crudeness.
It does NOT read thus:
7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any teachings or practices by a group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
Wow!
That loaded up a lot of my memory!!
I see from page 136 to 172 a LOT of stuff about the TR and it’s questions; but it seems to me that the goal posts were constantly moving.
I’d think that if these questions are so important; they’d be found in LDS scripture, and not in the footnotes and writings of the history of the church.
This is why (one of the reasons) I am not a Catholic.
For they have added so much stuff to the practice of their religion that are NOT found in the Scriptures. If they were THAT important; they’d BE in the Bible!
“It does NOT read thus:”
Just another outsider saying it should mean something they want it to say.
“For they have added so much stuff to the practice of their religion that are NOT found in the Scriptures. If they were THAT important; they’d BE in the Bible!”
Another example of of an outsider trying to tell us how to do it.
Not our defination of scriptures. For us, the cannon of the Bible is not the end of God’s Word. Heavenly Father does not only rely on the part of His teachings in the Bible.He continues to teach us, even today.
“That loaded up a lot of my memory!!”
It is going to take a lot more memory when you choose to learn more then the sound bites you use as proof.
I'm merely guessing; so; do you, or do you not have a valid TR card?
(Use your own words to eliminate any Elsie induced confusion among the lurkers.)
Have you considered the fact that YOUR leaders have said WE did it all wrong?
Does that ring ANY bells in your mind?
That's good!
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The Doctrine and Covenants
Section 14 Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet to David Whitmer, at Fayette, New York, June 1829. The Whitmer family had become greatly interested in the translating of the Book of Mormon. The Prophet established his residence at the home of Peter Whitmer Sr., where he dwelt until the work of translation was carried to completion and the copyright on the forthcoming book was secured. Three of the Whitmer sons, each having received a testimony as to the genuineness of the work, became deeply concerned over the matter of their individual duty. This revelation and the two following (sections 15 and 16) were given in answer to an inquiry through the Urim and Thummim. David Whitmer later became one of the Three Witnesses to the Book of Mormon. |
They're YOUR chosen religion's sources.
I'm just the messenger.
Is yours an offshoot of the Catholic religion??? They make the same claim...In fact, so do the Izlamaniacs...How do you determine which one is the 'one, true religion'???
Well of course it is...What do you think the entire Old Testament is about??? It's about a large chunk of promised land with a King/Messiah ruling over it...It's called the Kingdom of Heaven...
Joh_18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
But it certainly will be...
What do you think the 2nd Coming of Jesus is all about??? Why is Jesus going to show up a 2nd time??? Do you have any idea???
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
That's a physical kingdom right there...And for you Catholics that think you know something about the Trinity, you might want to notice that the Son IS the Father, the Everlasting God...
Well...
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The old testament is the old. Jesus set up His heavenly, spiritual kingdom, defeating the dragon as we see in the book of the apocalypse.
And that spiritual Kingdom of God is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church.
I’d suggest you read the gospels
Yup, the same crew that led to the Jehovah’s witness. the false, non-Biblical Pre-Trib rap belief created in the 1800s
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