What Is Better, Catholic or Protestant? Francis: “Both of Them Together”

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What Is Better, Catholic or Protestant? Francis: “Both of Them Together”

The Youth Pastoral Office of Magdeburg diocese, Germany, will organize an October 2020 “ecumenical pilgrimage” for young people to Rome.

The motto of the journey is “With Luther to the Pope”. A similar trip was already taken in 2016.

The pilgrimage is co-organized by the regional Protestant State church, although the Protestants repudiate pilgrimages.

On the trip's webpage Mit-Luther-zum-Papst.de, the tour operator, Hans Höffmann, remembers what Pope Francis said to the participants of the 2016 pilgrimage when asked by a youngster: "What is better, Catholic or Protestant? Francis answered in German: "Both of them together!”

Martin Luther attended school in Magdeburg as a boy. As a preacher, he led the city to defect from the Church. Magdeburg became the first major city to publish Luther’s writings.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Pick me!

By the grace of God, the blood and death on a cross for my sins, and placing my faith in Him alone...

1. YES!!

2. GLORIOUSLY YES!!

Every sin of mine was paid in full on the cross. God is not surprised by my sin. He knew of it and paid for it all when I could not.

I was saved, sealed by the Spirit, baptized into the Body of Christ, and positionally am seated in the heavenlies with Him.

And if He had not acted and sacrificed, NO ONE WOULD GO TO HEAVEN.

The real question is...

Why would anyone turn down that Gift of Grace???????

Why would they turn up their nose and place their faith instead in scapulars, saints, rituals, church, etc????

Those save no one.

Only receiving Christ by faith alone saves.

YES, GLORIOUSLY YES!

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There you go, metmom.

There’s your first honest protestant to claim he’s already saved.

Thanks, AMPU, for proving my point!

[HereInTheHeartland]

“What Is Better, Catholic or Protestant?”

Accepting Jesus as one’s Lord and Savior is the best option.

[Mom MD]

+1. Praise God. Blessed Assurance Jesus is mine!

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There you go, metmom

Here’s another one.

[Mom MD]

you can have that assurance as well. In fact Jesus wants you to have it. Wants you to have it so badly He sweat blood and died for you to have it.

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Presumption is a sin.

Hope is a virtue.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

I wasn’t proving your point.

I was giving glory to my Savior, who died to save me.

“It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all.”

I Timothy 1:15

Sorry you’ve rejected the free Gift and prefer the scapular, which can never save. It’ll burn too.

Why do that??

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Presumption is a sin.“

You misspelled “faith.”

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Could you provide the link to those comments please?

I've already provided you with some tonight.

Cat got your tongue, metmom?

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Faith, Hope and Charity are virtues.

Presumption, on the other hand is a sin.

[Mom MD]

Acceptance of Christ’s gift freely offered and belief in what He says is Life itself. Refusing to accept His completed work on the cross and believing His sufficiency to see you through is denigrating His sacrifice.

[Elsie]

I found a nice solvent at the iron mongers that removes this pesky tar I've gotten into on this thread.

Bye...

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Acceptance of Christ’s gift freely offered and belief in what He says is Life itself. Refusing to accept His completed work on the cross and believing His sufficiency to see you through is denigrating His sacrifice.

Who's refusing Christ's completed work?

Don't we need to do a little work also?

Or all you just too lazy to do so?

[MHGinTN]

I am born again, born from above because I trust in the Promise from God, enflesh as Jesus The Lord Christ. Believing a Promise from God is not presumption, Catholic curmudgeon, it is the means to eternal life.

Reading and studying His Word for lo these many decades, I am absolutely certain I could not have earned even one iota of His Grace toward me, and I am absolutely certain that I am not strong enough to keep me a member in His family with satan so devious.

Thanks be to GOD I am soon to leave this planet as the least of members in the Bride of Christ, the Body of Christ of all believers since that fateful day of Pentecost. How can I be so certain? I trust in the Promises of God Almighty.

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Here’s another one for you, metmom.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

I believe God’s words. If you don’t believe Him, your call.

You can always hope the scapular is fireproof.

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Just. Stop. The phrase "accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Personal Savior" does not appear ANYWHERE in Scripture. I wanted to establish that fact first.

You should be more specific then! You stated:

By the way, where in the Bible does it define "being born again" as "accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal savior"? /Evangelical catch phrase> I've begun to realize that a lot of what the Protestants teach (despite the *claims* of sola scriptura is merely the teaching of men, without even holding a Council of Nicea or of Ephesus.

You didn't ask whether the "term" is found in your mocking of Protestants/Evangelicals but where it is DEFINED in the Bible. If you cannot see how the concept of believing in/receiving Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord (and it IS a personal decision) is the same thing as accepting Him, then you ought to "Just. Stop.". Besides, if you actually understand what sola Scriptura means, you would know that it is the belief that because Scripture is the Divinely-inspired word of God, by its authority everything we must believe in order to have eternal life and live godly in Christ Jesus is explicitly or implicitly taught in Scripture:

“The whole counsel of God, concerning all things necessary for his own glory, man’s salvation, faith, and life, is either expressly set down in scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men.” —Westminster Confession of Faith

There, now you know!

I don't see any mention of that catchphrase anywhere, until the Born Again movement in the US, following the publication of Richard Nixon's former hatchet man, Chuck Colson's book Born Again, in 1976. I conclude that the phrase is a recent man-made invention. Recent enough, that it post-dates the Bible. So much for Protestants following sola scriptura as they define it. It is BECAUSE I knew the phrase didn't exist in the Bible I called you out on it by asking the question.

Which "catchphrase"? Born again or "accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Personal Savior"? I showed you some of the numerous places in Scripture that specifically teach the doctrine of "born again". As for the other, if you really have a problem with equating "accepting" with "receiving" or "believing", then I'd say that's being petty. And, as to claiming it doesn't jibe with sola Scriptura, then see the definition above. It is NOT piggybacking, thumbtacking or scotch taping a doctrine onto a verse - that does describe, however, quite a few dogmas and doctrines of Roman Catholicism. Do you also have a problem when they do it?

[MHGinTN]

Someone has duped you into rejecting the moment of being born again, born from above because you’ve swallowed the LIE that believing God’s Promise is presumption. Bless your poor little heart, you don’t realize that believing GOD’s Promise IS faith. The spiritual seed is believe God’s Promise. The growth from there is due to the presence of HIS SPIRIT seal upon the once dead spirit.

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AMEN!