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Josh Harris, Author of "I Kissed Dating Goodbye", Also Kisses Christianity Goodbye
PJ Media ^ | 07/27/2019 | Tyler O' Neill

Posted on 07/27/2019 7:52:47 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Josh Harris, author of the bestselling 1997 book I Kissed Dating Goodbye, announced on Instagram Friday that he had kissed Christianity goodbye, as well. He is also divorcing his wife. In recent years, Harris has rightly repented of his extraordinarily stringent and slightly heretical teachings in the evangelical purity movement, but he seems to have thrown the baby out with the bathwater. Ironically, the evangelical ex-pastor went from preaching one worldly dogma dressed up in Christian garb to fully embracing another worldly dogma clearly opposed to Christianity.

Last week, Harris announced that he and his wife of 21 years would be separating. This is significant in part because Harris made himself the model of the promises of a pure Christian life in his book. He essentially promised young Christians that if they keep themselves pure for marriage — he even suggested refraining from kissing until the wedding day — they will find the perfect spouse, enjoy the frequent satisfaction of desire, and the blessings of children.

That didn't seem to work out for him, and in his Instagram post, Harris wrote, "I wish you could see all the messages people sent me after the announcement of my divorce. They are expressions of love though they are saddened or even strongly disapprove of the decision.⁣⁣"

Yet the former evangelical Christian made an even bigger announcement in the same post.

"I have undergone a massive shift in regard to my faith in Jesus. The popular phrase for this is 'deconstruction,' the biblical phrase is 'falling away.' By all the measurements that I have for defining a Christian, I am not a Christian. Many people tell me that there is a different way to practice faith and I want to remain open to this, but I’m not there now," Harris wrote.

This announcement hit me like a ton of bricks. As an impressionable Christian teen, I devoured Harris's book and believed that courting was a superior method of finding "the one" than dating. Since I wasn't in a relationship, it was easy for me to think of saving the first kiss for marriage. Only later did I realize that this extremely stringent approach is unhealthy and likely prevents Christians from entering relationships in the first place by putting intercourse on a pedestal where it does not belong.

Yet in 2013, I received a review copy of Debra Fileta's book True Love Dates: Your Indispensable Guide to Finding the Love of Your Life. That book confirmed what I had slowly grown to suspect: the idea of "the one" or a person's perfect "soulmate" is not biblical or Christian — it actually originally comes from Plato's dialogue "The Symposium." This is not to say that some couples are more compatible than others; but the key goal of romantic relationships should not be to find "the one," but to find someone you can love and be faithful to all of your days — and make yourself into the kind of person who can be faithful. Dating is not the enemy of romance, but just another way to search for the right relationship.

As Katelyn Beaty noted at Religion News Service, Harris's book and others like them were part of a "sexual prosperity gospel." Prosperity gospel huxters preach that if you have faith in God and pray, then God will reward you in this life with health, wealth, and prosperity. This dangerous message also has a tragic corollary — if you get sick and don't recover or if you become poor, that means your faith was lacking.

This theology has no biblical support — it is a Christian heresy. In fact, Jesus promises His followers that they will face persecution (John 15:20); He urges His followers to pick up their crosses — an instrument of torture, humiliation, and death — and follow Him (Mark 8:34-38); and He tells His disciples to give money to the poor to have treasure in heaven that will not be stolen or destroyed (Luke 12:33-34). God makes Job poor and sick to test him, and Jesus tells His disciples that a man was born blind not because of sin but so that God could show His power through him (John 9:3).

In other words, God does not promise His followers health and wealth, but something much more important — eternal life and treasure in heaven. Christians do not look to a fulfillment in this life, even though virtuous living often does result in prosperity and health.

Similarly, the sexual prosperity gospel preaches that if Christians hold themselves back for marriage, they will be rewarded with a perfect marriage full of bountiful intercourse. Now, it is true that there are natural benefits to saving yourself for marriage — but that's not the promise of the gospel. And it certainly does not follow that the more you deny yourself in terms of kissing or hugging while dating (or "courting"), the more passion and intercourse you will enjoy during marriage. God promises no such trade-off, and it is an unrealistic expectation.

Worse, it elevates marriage and intercourse above God's true promises. Marriage itself is but a shadow of heavenly intimacy with God. As C.S. Lewis wrote in his masterful essay The Weight of Glory, "It would seem that Our Lord finds our desires not too strong, but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased."

Josh Harris, it seems, is still far too easily pleased. In his statement about "falling away" from Christianity, he added an apology "to the LGBTQ+ community."

"I want to say that I am sorry for the views that I taught in my books and as a pastor regarding sexuality. I regret standing against marriage equality, for not affirming you and your place in the church, and for any ways that my writing and speaking contributed to a culture of exclusion and bigotry. I hope you can forgive me," he wrote in the Instagram post.

Part of the reason for his falling away is the same reason his sexual prosperity gospel was so wrong: he is still putting intercourse ahead of God's promises in the gospel. It is true that lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people have been mistreated by the church in the past, and Christians should pledge themselves to treating all people with dignity. But God's word is still clear: homosexual activity is sinful, and God created humans male and female.

It is important to note that homosexual activity is not some horrific sin that makes someone irredeemable. Heterosexual sin also separates people from God. Jesus' standard for purity is high (Matthew 5:27-30), and all Christians should acknowledge themselves sinners and not pretend to be superior to those who struggle with gay attraction or gender confusion.

At the same time, the LGBT movement celebrates deviancy and a redefinition of marriage that cuts against Jesus's clear words in the Bible.

By condemning the Bible's stance against homosexual activity and its definition of marriage as between one man and one woman, Harris has condemned a key teaching of Christianity as "exclusion and bigotry."

As he did in the sexual prosperity gospel, Harris puts earthly romantic fulfillment above God's greater promise for people.

Furthermore, many of the criticisms of the evangelical purity movement have rejected God's standard for similar reasons. The purity movement has included many bad messages that Christians need to reject, but the standard of reserving intercourse for marriage and of watching out for impure thoughts is important. Many have celebrated premarital intercourse or homosexual activity in rejecting the purity movement, and that involves a rejection of the Bible's standards.

Harris noted "deconstruction" as a major reason he fell away from belief in Christianity. Deconstruction takes many forms: a rejection of the inspiration of scripture; a rejection of the central Christian doctrine that Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead; a rejection of the idea of original sin; and more. But often, the cause of the "deconstruction" is not the head but the heart. People reject Christianity because they know it will make claims on their lives, and often the arena of romantic desire is the root cause of the issue.

In closing his Instagram message, Harris said, "I don't view this moment negatively." That's tragic, because God hates divorce (Matthew 5:31-32). Sometimes divorce may be necessary, and Christians have been too harsh in judging divorcees, but divorce is not a thing to be celebrated.

It is truly tragic that a former evangelical leader who preached sexual purity — even for the wrong reasons — is divorcing his wife and kissing Christianity goodbye, and he doesn't even "view this moment negatively."



TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: christianity; dating; divorce; ikisseddatinggoodbye; joshharris
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To: ConservativeMind

Actually, his book was not Biblical. He wasn’t a mature Christian when he wrote it, and the premise was uninformed. He have no degree in psychology or Biblical studies. IOW, he has no business giving anyone relationship advice.

Unfortunately, so many people were misled that Townsend and Cloud, authors of “Boundaries in Dating” commented on this guy, his book, and how misguided it was.

In addition to ”Boundaries in Dating”, Neil Clark Warren’s “Finding the Love of Your Life” are easily the two best books for finding a marriage partner.


81 posted on 07/29/2019 1:06:30 PM PDT by WASCWatch
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To: PapaBear3625
"... if you find somebody willing to make an effort for you, and you are willing to make an effort in return, then you will have a good life.

What is love? IMHO, it is the willingness to make an effort, or pay a price, for the happiness and well-being of another."

That makes a ton of sense to me.

82 posted on 07/29/2019 2:46:59 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (And Jesus said to him, "You are not far from the Kimgdom of God." - Mark 12:34)
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To: af_vet_1981
That's the paradox of the "Once saved, always saved" deal. Since quite a few do apostatize from the faith, the only recourse is to say that they never were Christian to begin with.

However, if you see a faith resume like "Accepted Jesus as my personal Savior at age 11, baptized at my own request at age 12, devoted my energies and my life to serve the Lord, re-dedicated myself to God in the midst of life's difficulties, married a faithful believing spouse, raised all our kids as Christians, then ---" in his 40's, this person leaves the Faith?

The "Once Saved" theory would force the conclusion that you can never know IF you really HAD the faith, or if you were fooling yourself all along.

I don't see how that would give anybody the claimed state of assurance.

It's a tautology anyway.


83 posted on 07/29/2019 3:12:31 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Unless I am mistaken, I'm infallible.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I married the women who demonstrated she was willing to make an effort to keep me happy. Been happy with her for over thirty years so far.


84 posted on 07/29/2019 3:19:41 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: PapaBear3625

Good job! Same deal with me and my dear husband, 30+ years married and dearer every day.


85 posted on 07/29/2019 3:25:43 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (And Jesus said to him, "You are not far from the Kimgdom of God." - Mark 12:34)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The "Once Saved" theory would force the conclusion that you can never know IF you really HAD the faith, or if you were fooling yourself all along.

I don't see how that would give anybody the claimed state of assurance.

It's a tautology anyway.

No believer can ever apostatize.
Josh apostatized.
Therefore Josh was never a believer. Not a true believer.
It's the No True Scotsman Fallacy.


It is cognitive dissonance, and sets the letter to the Hebrews aside. It leads to believing one is saved by believing one is saved. The apostolic way of assurance was given by the Apostle Peter

For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, virtue with knowledge, knowledge with self-control, self-control with endurance, endurance with devotion, devotion with mutual affection, mutual affection with love. If these are yours and increase in abundance, they will keep you from being idle or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. Anyone who lacks them is blind and shortsighted, forgetful of the cleansing of his past sins. Therefore, brothers, be all the more eager to make your call and election firm, for, in doing so, you will never stumble. For, in this way, entry into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ will be richly provided for you.

Scriptural chapter and verse available by clicking on link

86 posted on 07/29/2019 9:15:23 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: thecodont

It sure was a weird vibe. I never read it but I did see the parallel to orthodox Jewish families. So I thought he might have a point. Still, why put yourself looking “cooler than you readers, see?” On the cover?


87 posted on 07/29/2019 9:18:01 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

I thumbed through it and put it down. I detected a tone of anger in it that turned me off.

By comparison, I liked Wendy Shalit’s (she is an Orthodox Jew as I understand) “A Return to Modesty.” Probably driving home the same point but without the bitterness.


88 posted on 07/29/2019 9:26:48 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

I think A Return to Modesty is a great book. I’m not orthodox but there is a lot of benefit to having some semblance of a level of modesty that I admire about Orthodox Judaism.


89 posted on 07/29/2019 10:26:11 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: thecodont

Yes, we just spoke of that one, which I remember liking and which did influence me at the time. Now my favorite Orthodox rabbis would not be happy to see what I have on, but I do believe in at least the concept of tznius (modesty.)


90 posted on 07/30/2019 3:00:04 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Bob434

Yep. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl1bQdHfac0 from Todd Friel on the issue.


91 posted on 07/30/2019 5:12:30 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: af_vet_1981

Many scholars, studying the whole of Scripture, recognize that Hebrews warning passages are NOT to believers (”...but I am convinced of better things concerning you, things pertaining to salvation”. Also numerous passages dealing with God’s keeping of the elect (Biblical terminology, not mine) With all respect, 1 John 2:19, Philippians 1:6 and many others deal specifically with the fact that God keeps us and “no one” takes them out of the Father’s Hand (John 6). Todd Friel addresses this well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl1bQdHfac0 In summation, those who “discover” they aren’t saved are the ones who leave. Biblically, they never were.


92 posted on 07/30/2019 5:18:14 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: JLLH
Many scholars, studying the whole of Scripture, recognize that Hebrews warning passages are NOT to believers ...

The term believers is not even found in the KJV (the authorized Protestant translation in English for centuries); one is not saved by believing one is saved. One must have faith and endure unto the end to be saved; thus one can fall away. The Messiah warned disciples over and over again to watch (their behavior, which is based on believing and obeying). The Apostle to the Gentiles also taught that the Gentiles who were grafted into the good olive tree, would be cut off if they did not continue in God's goodness.

  • For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
  • And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
  • If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
  • For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
  • But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
  • But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
  • For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
  • And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
  • That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

    ...

  • For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
  • Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them wh


Hebrews, Catholic chapter six, Protestant verses four to twelve,
Romans, Catholic chapter eleven, Protestant verses twenty one to twenty two,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James
underlines mine

93 posted on 07/30/2019 6:15:57 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981

Those Hebrews passages - again - do not refer to salvation. Matters not if the TERM is not in Scripture. It’s clear from the passages and AFTER that the author is NOT referencing those who are saved/redeemed (if you prefer). We cannot keep ourselves. Yes, we have a responsibility to follow Him. Just like we are commanded to “Repent and Believe”, although Scripture makes it clear that salvation is of the Lord and NO ONE seeks after God, no not one (Romans 3),

Philippians 1:6 shows who keeps us, as does John 6 (v. 39) and John 10:28-29 (and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 [a]My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.). Romans 5 - “....having now been justified” (eternity past). Josh Harris is not more powerful than the Savior who keeps us, God be praised.

1 John 2:19 “They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that [d]it would be shown that they all are not of us.”


94 posted on 07/30/2019 7:07:50 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: JLLH
Those Hebrews passages - again - do not refer to salvation. ...
We cannot keep ourselves. ...
NO ONE seeks after God, no not one...


Of course they refer to salvation. They were made partakers of the Holy Spirit. However, one must endure to the end to be saved. It is not the beginning that counts, it is the ending.

  • For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

    ...

  • But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
  • Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

    ...

  • God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
  • Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
  • And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
  • That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
  • For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.


Hebrews, Catholic chapter three, Protestant verse fourteen,
Jude, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses twenty to twenty one,
Acts, Catholic chapter seventeen, Protestant verses twenty four to twenty eight,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

95 posted on 07/30/2019 7:53:58 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: JLLH

thaks i’ll check that oput tomorrow


96 posted on 07/30/2019 9:02:14 PM PDT by Bob434
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