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To: af_vet_1981

Many scholars, studying the whole of Scripture, recognize that Hebrews warning passages are NOT to believers (”...but I am convinced of better things concerning you, things pertaining to salvation”. Also numerous passages dealing with God’s keeping of the elect (Biblical terminology, not mine) With all respect, 1 John 2:19, Philippians 1:6 and many others deal specifically with the fact that God keeps us and “no one” takes them out of the Father’s Hand (John 6). Todd Friel addresses this well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl1bQdHfac0 In summation, those who “discover” they aren’t saved are the ones who leave. Biblically, they never were.


92 posted on 07/30/2019 5:18:14 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: JLLH
Many scholars, studying the whole of Scripture, recognize that Hebrews warning passages are NOT to believers ...

The term believers is not even found in the KJV (the authorized Protestant translation in English for centuries); one is not saved by believing one is saved. One must have faith and endure unto the end to be saved; thus one can fall away. The Messiah warned disciples over and over again to watch (their behavior, which is based on believing and obeying). The Apostle to the Gentiles also taught that the Gentiles who were grafted into the good olive tree, would be cut off if they did not continue in God's goodness.

  • For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
  • And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
  • If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
  • For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
  • But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
  • But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
  • For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
  • And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
  • That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

    ...

  • For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
  • Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them wh


Hebrews, Catholic chapter six, Protestant verses four to twelve,
Romans, Catholic chapter eleven, Protestant verses twenty one to twenty two,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James
underlines mine

93 posted on 07/30/2019 6:15:57 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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