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Moral Tragedy: Hillsong Pastor Carl Lentz Provides Moral Cover For Abortion On ‘The View’
The Federalist ^ | 03/04/2019 | James Silberman

Posted on 03/04/2019 7:53:28 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Last Monday, around 1:20 p.m. EST, hundreds of babies were being surgically dismembered, decapitated, poisoned, and otherwise violently killed inside abortion clinics around the country. Simultaneously, Hillsong Church NYC mega-pastor Carl Lentz had a platform from which to speak in their defense while a guest on “The View.” He refused to do so. In fact, he took the opportunity to suggest that their deaths can in some cases be justified and that the people killing them should continue living according to their own convictions.

When host Joy Behar asked directly whether abortion is sinful, he responded, “That’s the kind of conversation we would have finding out your story, where you’re from, what you believe. I mean, God’s the judge,” at which point the audience broke into raucous applause. “People have to live to their own convictions,” Lentz continued. “That’s such a broad question, to me, I’m going higher. I want to sit with somebody and say, ‘What do you believe?’”

This position might be received as a moderate stance on the issue or a lack of stance altogether. But in this case, to be on the fence is to be on the side of child sacrifice. “Live to your own convictions” is practically the slogan of the abortion lobby. Lentz might as well have said “My body, my choice,” or “Keep your rosaries off my ovaries.”

Creating Ambiguity Where Scripture Offers None

“So it’s not an open and shut case to you?” Behar asked. “Some people would say it is,” Lentz responded. “To me, I’m trying to teach people who Jesus is first, and find out their story. Before I start picking and choosing what I think is sin in your life, I’d like to know your name.”

This is a fantastic answer to the question of whether Calvinism or Arminianism is the more accurate interpretation of scripture. In reference to the biblical acceptability of child sacrifice, not so much. Scripture is unanimous and unambiguous in its condemnation of intentionally killing an image-bearer of God. There is no intellectually serious case to be made otherwise.

The abortion industry, with help from complicit institutions such as the mainstream media, academia, medical establishment, and others, is waging a propaganda campaign aimed at dehumanizing their victims. It’s a kingdom tragedy that a pastor of more than 7,000 Christians would join the ranks of those blurring the moral lines regarding the killing of preborn babies.

Lentz Has No Scriptural Case

Scripturally, Lentz has no justification despite the many abortion-supporting “Christians” who claim the Bible doesn’t specifically condemn abortion. The Psalmist writes, “You formed my inward parts; you wove me in my mother’s womb. … My frame was not hidden from you, when I was made in secret, and skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth; your eyes have seen my unformed substance” (Ps. 139:13-16). Prior to being fully formed, we have a substance that distinguishes us as image-bearers of God.

This substance is not merely a theological precept. It is physically qualifiable, taking the form of the human genetic code. This substance is the only possible foundation for human equality. If the abortion lobby had their way, self-awareness, viability, or another arbitrary trait would define humanity. If that’s the case, then human value exists on a sliding scale, in which the highly aware have more value than the oblivious, those who are self-reliant have more than those who depend on family, friends, or government, and so on. Denying personhood to any organism who is scientifically human shatters the concept of human equality.

Furthermore, biblical authors unanimously refer to the preborn as people. Job describes miscarried babies as “infants who never saw the light” (Job 3:16). Pregnant mothers are referred to throughout the New Testament as being “with child” (Matthew 1:18, Luke 2:5). Of Rebekah and Abraham’s twin sons, Moses records “the children struggled together within her” (Genesis 25:22). Luke refers to Elizabeth’s baby with the exact same word, υἱὸν (Greek for “son”), both before and after his birth (Luke 1:36, 57). They’re not ambiguous “blobs of cells” or “scrambled eggs” but sons, daughters, children, infants.

As for a specific condemnation of abortion itself, Jeremiah records God’s anguish with those who think they can play him for a fool and find loopholes in the sixth commandment (against murder). “Because the people have forsaken me and have profaned this place by making offerings in it to other gods whom neither they nor their fathers nor the kings of Judah have known; and because they have filled this place with the blood of innocents, and have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, which I did not command or decree, nor did it come into my mind” (Jeremiah 19:4-5). God didn’t bother to outlaw the killing of babies specifically because it is perfectly apparent that murder as a category includes murder of the very young.

Providing Cover for Child Dehumanizers

Lentz’s actions are especially harmful given the abortion lobby’s recent effort to infiltrate religious narratives. In April, a collection of 60 religious organizations co-sponsored a letter urging congress to keep Planned Parenthood funded by tax dollars. “As organizations of faith, we stand with Planned Parenthood. As members of Congress committed to supporting the wellbeing of your constituents, we urge you to do the same.”

In June, Planned Parenthood released a video in which leaders of religious institutions stated their support for Planned Parenthood. In typical Hollywood fashion, it entailed speakers taking turns finishing each other’s asinine ideas. “Everything about what Planned Parenthood does speaks to Jewish, religious, ethical values. For me, that’s ministry.”

Faith communities play a crucial role in the abortion battle because faith is the only significant bulwark remaining against the third-wave feminism that has overrun nearly every major secular institution. University of Chicago professor Jerry Coyne gleefully asserted in an article in July that killing newborns will soon be societally embraced and is repelled only by stubborn religious beliefs about human worth. If Christian leaders follow Lentz’s lead, Coyne’s grisly vision will certainly come to fruition, a repeated historical pattern.

Based on the counsel of scripture, our response to the industrial-scale massacre of God’s image-bearers should be one of radical intercession. Defending those being led to slaughter must feature prominently in our endeavors regardless of profession, but especially for those who’ve been called to leadership within the church. For many Christians and pastors, this means repentance, and for some, it will include recants. I pray God gives Lentz the grace to do so.



James Silberman is media relations coordinator at Created Equal, an anti-abortion organization that exposes the truth about abortion in the streets and campuses of the United States. He writes weekly for the Family Policy Institute of Washington and tweets daily at @James_Silberman.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; carllentz; hillsong; infanticide; theview
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To: Flaming Conservative

Yep! He really dropped the ball.


41 posted on 03/04/2019 9:44:59 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: thecodont

Yeah - but they sure play nice and hip praise songs.


42 posted on 03/04/2019 9:47:52 PM PST by 21twelve (!)
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To: marajade

I always love it when Franklin Graham is on some news show.

“So I understand you were down in Haiti with supplies after the hurricane?”

He always says something like:

“Yes - we delivered over a million pounds of supplies to help their immediate needs. But even more so - we provided hope. Hope that comes from our Lord Jesus, that they might know that He loves them, and if they believe in Him that they will have everlasting life. And that goes for all of us - not just hit by hurricanes, but hit with all the pains and struggles of life. But all you have to do is ask the Lord Jesus and he will give you new life!”

He usually sprinkles in a few Bible verses as well.


43 posted on 03/04/2019 9:54:23 PM PST by 21twelve (!)
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To: marajade
So it is ok to be a drunkard because it is hereditary?

I think some people DO excuse it like that. I guess you could ask if it's ok then to be a pedophile because someone was born with a desire for sex with children? In our world today with everyone just doing whatever is right in their own eyes, no one is allowed to say something is a "sin". To them that's being "judgmental". And, God forbid, someone is being judge-y! That is why so much is wrong in our society these days - nothing can be morally right or wrong, everything is relative, there are no absolutes. We have paid a high price for that ambiguity.

44 posted on 03/04/2019 10:04:13 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: boatbums

More and more psychiatrists are linking alcoholism to it being hereditary. I know science is there now that it a disease.


45 posted on 03/04/2019 10:09:05 PM PST by marajade (Skywalker)
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To: Raycpa

There’s another argument that we are to make Disciples of Christ, not just inspire alter calls.

An actual disciple will know and follow scripture and be able to explain it.


46 posted on 03/04/2019 10:30:24 PM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: marajade

“Hey at least Chris Pratt talked about God at the MTV Awards.”

Yes, and the article linked below talks about how Pratt responded to criticism from the so-called LGBT community:

https://www.movieguide.org/news-articles/chris-pratt-and-hillsong-church-respond-to-anti-lgbtq-accusations.html

Not the best answer, but like you pointed out, he still honors God and Christ.

In the same article it mentions how the pastor has taken a more firm stand in the past on the Biblical teaching on marriage, including it being between a man and woman.


47 posted on 03/04/2019 10:35:53 PM PST by unlearner (War is coming.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Some mega-churches are packed to the brim for the very reason that they will not acknowledge sin as sin. They’re going to face a God they do not know on the Day of Judgement.


48 posted on 03/04/2019 10:41:31 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Trump is Making the Media Grate Again)
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To: marajade
More and more psychiatrists are linking alcoholism to it being hereditary. I know science is there now that it a disease.

The same could be said for obesity, drug addiction, smoking and other "behavioral" related issues. Though I don't deny that some people have sensitivity or a higher propensity towards things that are bad for them (AKA having an "addictive personality"), there is no physical law that says they MUST or WILL be addicted. Such things can always be avoided especially if it is a known weakness.

49 posted on 03/04/2019 10:46:31 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: SeekAndFind

He’s from Hill$ong...

And this is the founder of the Hillsong ‘movement’.

“60 Minutes: Hillsong Church founder under police investigation over handling of father’s sex crimes”

https://www.9news.com.au/2018/11/18/21/21/60-minutes-brian-houston-hillsong-church-founder-under-police-investigation

“Hillsong founder ‘told man his father sexually abused it was victim’s fault’”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/oct/07/hillsong-founder-told-man-his-father-sexually-abused-it-was-victims-fault-inquiry-told


50 posted on 03/04/2019 11:02:06 PM PST by 444Flyer (John 3 Revelation 20 Joshua 24:15 Pick a side...)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

And the Bible is also very specific about what awaits bad shepherds like this guy.


51 posted on 03/05/2019 12:11:02 AM PST by definitelynotaliberal (I believe it! He's alive! Sweet Jesus!)
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To: definitelynotaliberal

And false prophets. When you speak presuming the authority of God, you’d better be correct about it.


52 posted on 03/05/2019 12:22:23 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: SeekAndFind

“Thou shall not murder” covers it, buddy.

There is no *finding out where they’re coming from.

Wrong is wrong and Hillsong really pushed it with the homosexual comments, but this is absolutely inexcusable.

The guy needs to repent or face God’s judgment.


53 posted on 03/05/2019 1:13:48 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Fido969

You are spot on - he sidestepped the issue and said nothing. The scriptures and the Holy Spirit convict us of sin that doesnt mean its his job to soften the blow. I dont go looking for the sin in people’s lives either but if they ask a direct question they deserve a direct answer. Abortion is murder. Yet God in his great mercy is willing to forgive those who have committed it if they repent and turn to Him. There is the good news.


54 posted on 03/05/2019 1:17:12 AM PST by melsec (There's a track, winding back, to an old forgotten shack along the road to Gundagai..)
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To: Raycpa
There is an argument that the pastors job is to introduce people to christ and its christ’s job to convict their sins

I know there is, and it's a cop out.

It's any Christian's responsibility to lead others to Christ. It's not the paid responsibility of one man called the pastor.

His job is to oversee his flock and lead them into Christian maturity, and that does mean confronting sin in their lives and dealing with it.

God didn't save us for us to go on living in the sin that put Jesus on the cross.

"Be ye holy as I am holy"

55 posted on 03/05/2019 1:23:08 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I haven't quite decided if Carl Lentz is in the mode of Joel Olsteen or Scientology's Tom Cruz.....probably a combination with a little of his own understanding of Celebrity Pentecostalism thrown in for good measure...... What he surely is 'selling' is his brand....and Hollywood types really, really like him as do and Ceo's in the world of fashion all of which he hangs with.. Lentz was asked if his church has a position on issues like gay marriage, he said,..... “We have a stance on love, and everything else, we have conversations.”
56 posted on 03/05/2019 1:55:56 AM PST by caww
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To: 444Flyer

It’s base is in Sydney Australia


57 posted on 03/05/2019 1:56:37 AM PST by caww
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To: max americana

58 posted on 03/05/2019 2:00:02 AM PST by caww
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To: boatbums
Pastor Carl Lentz.....on the left.


59 posted on 03/05/2019 2:02:07 AM PST by caww
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To: caww
‘Pastor’ Carl Lentz Slamming Shots With Justin Bieber.....a pastor engaging in such an activity with someone who has a history of abusing substances?

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60 posted on 03/05/2019 2:18:48 AM PST by caww
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