Posted on 09/17/2018 11:01:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Still trying to change the discussion?
A comment was posted saying "Most Catholics on FR don’t even know what Protestants believe." I agree with the comment, don't you? On FR, there are even Protestants who don't know what other Protestants believe.
Nice, try though.
Divergent Beliefs Between Protestant Denominations (updated)
| No. | Protestant Belief or Practice | Yes | No |
| 1 | Efficacy of Baptism | ✔ | ✔ |
| 2 | Infant Baptism | ✔ | ✔ |
| 3 | Baptism by Full Immersion Required | ✔ | ✔ |
| 4 | Real Presence in the Eucharist | ✔ | ✔ |
| 5 | Sacramental Confession to Clergy | ✔ | ✔ |
| 6 | Ordained Clergy | ✔ | ✔ |
| 7 | Ordination of Females | ✔ | ✔ |
| 8 | Prayers for the Dead | ✔ | ✔ |
| 9 | Augustinian Division of 10 Commandments | ✔ | ✔ |
| 10 | Presence of Crucifix in Church/Chapel | ✔ | ✔ |
| 11 | TULIP | ✔ | ✔ |
| 12 | Prima Scriptura | ✔ | ✔ |
| 13 | Apostolic Succession | ✔ | ✔ |
| 14 | Faith Alone | ✔ | ✔ |
| 15 | Abortion | ✔ | ✔ |
| 16 | Open Communion | ✔ | ✔ |
| 17 | Rebaptism | ✔ | ✔ |
| 18 | Predestination | ✔ | ✔ |
But I did try! Did you read what I wrote? I explained how the historical Christian churches HAVE a standard rule of faith. If you want to know what a denomination teaches and believes, look at their statement of faith. If you want to know what an individual believes WRT a specific tenet, ask them!
Here's what you said: "You’re talking about individuals. I’m talking about variations in official doctrine and practices between denominations."
There have been variations in official doctrine and practices all along. How often does your Catechism get updated? It is pretty easy to find out what Protestants believe because their statements of faith are found online anymore. Even Catholicism has online versions of the catechism. The question IS what do individuals that identify as a denomination believe and how does that belief coincide with the official statements of faith for that denomination? There is not really that much difference at all between the historical denominations that get categorized as "Protestant" on the major tenets of the faith. They haven't changed. That's not to say that some mainline churches today no longer teach the ancient Christian faith, just as many Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches have gone more liberal and do not teach the Catholic faith. A Statement of Faith is supposed to spell out what the beliefs are for a denomination, whether or not individuals remain faithful to them is really the question. I've worshipped in a Southern Baptist church, a Lutheran church, an Evangelical church and a Presbyterian church. We agree on what are the main doctrines of Christianity. I would NOT attend some other ones because I either know they are cults or false religions or they have devolved from what was their heritage in the faith.
So, yes, I wonder if FRoman Catholics really know what Protestants believe. I know what Catholics believe, though not every Catholic believes exactly like other Catholics do even if they have official doctrines. I've seen polls that show a large percentage of Catholics do not believe in the "real presence"....so there's that. If you don't know what a Protestant believes - you shouldn't be condemning him over doctrines you think are contrary to yours. Why not just ASK???
You don't have to wonder. It isn't a matter of a denomination updating doctrine; it's the variation in doctrine between denominations. The point is that to "know" is highly dependent on who and which denomination. There are some on here who won't even let us know which flavor of Protestant they are, which makes it even more difficult.
Logical Fallacy: Ad Hominem, Changing the Subject, and just generally majoring in minors.
I take it from your lack of actual response other than complaining about my style that you concede the point about the wickedness of Roman Catholicism.
Does it matter?
When compared with the lovely fruits—that is, the fruits by which Jesus said that you should know false prophets by—that Rome has come up with, no, it does not.
Considering that Catholicism’s fruits are, not to put too fine a point on it, fruits. And child-rapists.
You can slam the number of denominations all you want; at least our church leadership hasn’t been protecting people who have been raping children for the last fifty years and probably longer.
Why anyone would give any money, time, or talent to Rome after the Vatican’s consistent hostility towards the words of Jesus is beyond me.
Actually I quite regularly quote Catholic teaching and sources, even more than from Protestant sources, for Rome provides enough to indict her as a false teacher without the need for other sources, save for Scripture. In which her distinctives not even being manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (including how they understood the OT and gospels).
They'd rather just tear down Catholicism on the basis of what they've "seen" Catholics do, like "I've SEEN The Catholics worship the Virgin Mary as a goddess".
Well, one would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing supernatural attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them.
Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?
Which manner of "adulation" can constitute worship in Scripture (Words for worship in the NT), yet Catholics imagine that by playing word games then they can avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.
You're the one who brought it up.
Actually that seems rather easy, seeing as those who most strongly esteem Scripture as the accurate and wholly inspired word of God testify to being the most unified in key conservative beliefs , while Catholics mostly testify to disparate beliefs.
Meaning that if if you are strongly committed to conservative beliefs on Scripture and faith and morals then you most likely belong in a evangelical church, while if you are liberal on such then you most likely belong in the Catholic or a liberal Protestant church. But which are not basically Protestant in the historical sense.
So, you are in agreement with this doctrine from Protestantism:
See, I was afraid this was going over your head. It seems to me that you have a point you want to make and you aren’t interested at all in what I or anyone else might say. At least I tried to treat your question as legitimate.
Tell me you at least understand the difference between major tenets of the Christian faith and what Scripture calls “disputable matters”?
Who brought what up? That Catholics don’t know what Protestants believe?
I don’t see any evidence to retract that statement. I’d have been willing to accept even the most generalized of statements about one or two particular denominations.
Instead I get the usual Roman runaround about blah blah blah so many Protestant denominations blah blah.
Considering that I still get Catholics accusing me of not teaching the Ten Commandments when it’s literally the first thing in the Small Catechism after the preface, I have to wonder whether the Vatican is intentionally trying to keep their people ignorant.
Don’t be afraid. The intellectual contents of your posts haven’t reached my ankles yet.
It seems to me that you have a point you want to make and you aren’t interested at all in what I or anyone else might say.
I’d be interested if what you said had anything to do with the original point under discussion. The comment was made “That Catholics don’t know what Protestants believe," as if Protestant denominations were in agreement. Your posts indicate you want to talk about anything but.
I’ve stated that Catholics don’t know, because as demonstrated, Protestantism doesn’t have one set of beliefs/doctrines. Each denomination has their own set, some which conflict with other denominations’ beliefs.
But in response to that here are some of the things you went on about:
So, you’ve droned on about all that, which I did read, but it skirts what we are discussing: That Catholics don’t know what Protestants believe. And the reason I’ve given is because there is no one set of doctrine for all of the denominations. Not in the past, not because doctrine is developing, not because individuals sometimes don’t adhere to statements of faith, not because every individual doesn’t believe like the other, etc. It’s because many denominations have divergent sets of doctrine at the current time.
Tell me you at least understand the difference between major tenets of the Christian faith and what Scripture calls “disputable matters”?
We aren’t talking about major tenets, disputable matters, statements of faiths (which by the way generally don’t get into the details of the doctrine), etc. We are talking about differences in doctrine existing between denominations, whether major or not. For example, the doctrine of Predistination is pretty significant for some but not for others.
Why not just ASK???
Indeed. That is the whole point. Catholics (as well as some Protestants posting on here) don’t know what Protestants believe because there is not one set of doctrine that covers Protestantism. You have to ask each person what they adhere to if you want to understand where they’re coming from. That is if they will tell you. And if you ask, each of them says that their doctrine is based on Scripture, even if the doctrine conflict with the next guy who claims the same.
Yes. Please tell us. What are the doctrines of Protestantism? Please be inclusive.
I don’t see any evidence to retract that statement.
Me neither. In fact, I think the same could be said of some Protestants who post here.
Instead I get the usual Roman runaround about blah blah blah so many Protestant denominations blah blah.
You're the one who said Catholics don't know what Protestants believe, which happens to include all those blah blah blah so many Protestant denominations. What do they each believe?
I have to wonder whether the Vatican is intentionally trying to keep their people ignorant.
I have no doubt you do.
From What?
Oh; I see you’ve added 2 more.
Rebaptism
Predestination
I don’t understand how to use your chart, since both yes & no are checked for each category.
No; it's a simile.
You say that like that’s something to be ashamed of.
Which of the many apparitional sightings do YOU believe in?
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