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Posted on 08/18/2018 10:09:46 AM PDT by Salvation
The Bible and the Church never praise lying, even when there are good intentions behind the act Msgr. Charles Pope
Is lying always wrong?
Question: We are told not to lie, but the Bible says Rahab the prostitute lied to protect the Jewish spies. The Bible later praises her as being justified for doing this. Does Scripture praise lying, which is a sin? — Tamarah E. Jones, La Plata, Maryland
Answer: No. We should be careful to recall that the Bible records many things that are not praiseworthy. There are murders, rapes, theft, polygamy, adultery and the like. The mere reporting of these behaviors is not approval of them. In many cases, such behavior becomes an object lesson to illustrate what happens when such bad behavior ensues. In other cases, the sinful behavior simply goes unremarked. But silence is not the same as approval.
It is true that Rahab lied. Here is the account of it: “So the king of Jericho sent Rahab the order, ‘Bring out the men who have come to you and entered your house, for they have come to spy out the entire land.’ The woman had taken the two men and hidden them, so she said, ‘True, the men you speak of came to me, but I did not know where they came from. At dark, when it was time to close the gate, they left, and I do not know where they went’” (Jos 2:3-5).
The incident is simply recorded. And while the two Hebrew spies benefit from her lie and even promise her reward for her protection, there is no explicit praise in the text for the lie itself.
Later in the Scriptures there is praise of Rahab, but there is no mention of her lie, only her act of receiving the spies and sending them out by a protected way. Here are those texts: “By faith Rahab the harlot did not perish with the disobedient, for she had received the spies in peace” (Heb 11:31). “And in the same way was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route?” (Jas 2:25).
Hence we should be careful not to say that the Scriptures affirm lying in this matter. There is a care in the sacred text to focus the praise on her overall benevolence, not the lie. St. Augustine affirms this stance: “That therefore which was rewarded in them was, not [her] deceit, but [her] benevolence; benignity of mind, not iniquity of lying” (“To Consentius, Against Lying,” 32).
I guess you didn’t quite grasp what the RM was trying to tell you earlier today.
We can "speak the truth in love". I've never seen ealgeone use profanity against another Freeper no matter how many times he is provoked. So, yeah, I think he is a shining example of proper thread etiquette.
Did you not say exactly what I posted? Remember this is a thread about lying.
What do you think?
For the record.....your post is below.
To: ealgeone
Oh, B.S.
By which I mean "Baloney Sandwich."
69 posted on 8/18/2018, 5:56:39 PM by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies | Report Abuse]
Because everyone everywhere when they say B.S. means baloney sandwich.
It's not the first time you dropped some....shall we say....suggestive language.
If you're convinced in your mind you've not erred in this....well....
I see you continue to bring nothing to the conversation.
No problem.
And did you say that?
Below is where I got the understanding if death were imminent and a priest is not available the Roman Catholic could ask for forgiveness.
However, outside of that only confession to a priest was the only way for the Roman Catholic to receive forgiveness.
However, if what you say is true.....the need for a Roman Catholic to confess to a priest is not needed for the forgiveness of sins...right?
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God, who created the sacraments for our salvation, is Himself not bound by them. Our sins are first forgiven, of course, through the sacrament of baptism. For post-baptismal sins, the Church has always taught that, for example in a danger of death situation without the possibility of recourse to the sacrament of confession, God could forgive our sins if we pray to him with perfect contrition. The reality is, however, that we can never know if we’ve made a perfect act of contrition.
The Church teaches, therefore, that “individual, integral confession and absolution remain the only ordinary way for the faithful to reconcile themselves with God and the Church, unless physical or moral impossibility excuses from this kind of confession”
(CCC 1484). The great gift of this sacrament is that, if we confess all our serious sins with sorrow and a firm purpose of amendment, we do not need to doubt whether our sins have been forgiven. God created this sacrament so that we might know that he has forgiven us through the ministry of priests.http://www.thelightisonforyou.org/confession/faq/
No problem.
Did I say what?
That's exactly right.
I said and thought "Baloney Sandwich" --- as I explained, it's what my husband and I say all the time --- and then we laugh and go on with light hearts, in peace.
And so, since you couldn't take offense at that, you took offense at what I didn't mean and didn't say, because you thought you knew what I was thinking.
You know, you could play this game all by yourself.
You could read all the parts in the script and move all the pieces on both sides of the checkers board, without anyone else having to get involved at all.
Sounds like a remarkably efficient way for you to conduct your controversies.
I, for one, would consider it a stroke of genius.
There's always TRADITION to clarify things the mere bible leaves unanswered.
Witness is something one does at a trial.
And then; using a bible; try to find any difference at all.
Maybe HE just changed His mind.
I bid you a good night.
Soon to be EX cretin; I think!
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