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Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Don't confuse intellectual assent with saving faith.
Believers in Christ, known as Christians, have entrusted themselves to Him alone.
His complete sacrifice.
His grace for salvation.
They have admitted there is nothing they can do to earn salvation, nor qualify via works, nor the false sacramental system.
Intellectual assent to a creed does not save.
Christ saves.
Once you add anything to Christ, you are not entrusting yourself to Him, but relying on your own merit and efforts.
Those people go to hell.
Don't be that person.
I said Roman Catholics have some Christian doctrine they endorse. They also have many heretical bordering on apostate doctrine that separate them from the rest of Christianity. Don’t read more into what I said than is actually there
BTW, your little deceit of not capitalizing 'catholic' in the fourth line from the last of the Creed but Capitalizing 'Catholic' when trying to deceive folks that they are the same is duly noted. When you practice to deceive it is clear what spirit is within you, whiner.
You made a conscious decision not to ping me? Hmmm following FR decorum is at your discretion, duly noted.
No deceit intended at all. That's how it was at the site I copied it from and it isn't capitalized when recited at Mass.
I might remind you that the Religion Moderator will pull posts for name calling. Since the post was pulled I can check now but was it one of your posts that was recently pulled for that or was it someone else's?
If the Religion Forum is too upsetting for you and you find that you cannot refrain from name calling you might want to stick to reading and posting on caucus threads where your less likely to be offended.
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I can check now = I can’t check now
“No man comes to the Father except through me.”
~ Jesus Christ
“There is but one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.” ~ Apostle Paul
I’ll believe the word of God, which I know very well. I’ve also had a personal relationship with Jesus Christ for 52 years. What’s more, people were saved by faith even before the founding of the church. People are still saved by faith, “faith in Christ,” not faith in an organization.
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You don’t even have the right 10 Commamdments. How bout posting the passage from Exodus?
You and I left off at the beginning of the creed here: Do you believe Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary and became man? Now how about the virgin birth of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus?
We have made it as far as the Holy Trinity.
Shall we continue?
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Christians and Roman Catholics disagree on how one comes to salvation and if one can keep their salvation.
Christians and Roman Catholics disagree on the "necessity" of Mary for salvation, answered prayers, etc.
Christians and Roman Catholics disagree on the forgiveness of sins.
So other than common names and books of the NT [which again Christians hold the NT to be all that is needed where Roman Catholics have added "Sacred Tradition"].
So no....I don't think the two have that much in common.
I am trying to find common ground instead of points on which we do not agree.
You can easily understand my faith by reading the Catechism which is a roadmap to understanding Catholic dogma and doctrine with extensively detailed references sourced directly to the Bible. Your belief system is haphazardly expressed here at FR and perhaps other places unknown to me.
My contention was that you define your beliefs entirely and exclusively by what differentiates them from the Catholic Church but we found some common ground. I think there could be much much more but you are going to have lead the way.
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I will call a liar a liar and if Jim wants to pull that it is his website. You are an insulting servant of deceit. Now, is that obscure enough for your widdle ego?
“My contention was that you define your beliefs entirely and exclusively by what differentiates them from the Catholic Church
False.
This is a discussion about an article, written by a Roman, containing ideas not in Scripture.
Context.
When an RC “apologist” tosses out the 30k or 40k or 50k denominations ploy to boost their argument, I know I can stop reading anything else they have to say because it will be a waste of time!
The CCC, while it does in places reference the Bible, also references the ECFs.
Roman Catholicism is a lot of things....but easily understood? No. That is not one of them. There are multiple layers and caveats and writings that most Roman Catholics can't keep up with them as evidenced in these discussions.
My faith is fairly simple.
I believe Christ died on the cross for my sins and that by believing in Him my sins are forgiven.
There are no good deeds I can do to get to Heaven other than believe in Him.
He paid the price.
He was crucified.
It is He Who cleanses my sin.
I believe my salvation is secure based on His promises in the NT.
My goal is to share the Gospel with others to help them come to a saving faith in Christ.
My contention was that you define your beliefs entirely and exclusively by what differentiates them from the Catholic Church but we found some common ground. I think there could be much much more but you are going to have lead the way.
As I noted before, NT Christianity does not have much in common with Roman Catholicism as it has added so much to the NT which is often contradictory to the NT.
The Nicene Creed, and I presume you mean the later version, has some language which would have to be clarified.
Catholic does not mean Roman Catholic.
Apostolic does not mean apostolic succession.
Baptism for remission of sins does not mean baptism is what removes sin.
Other than that the Creed is a decent overview of Christianity.
To continue to appeal to that shows a limited intellectual understanding of the issue.
No ten commandments?
Tell me again how Catholicism teaches salvation by grace and not by works???
Yes, the 30,000 is bogus.
It does allow minnows who “swim shallow waters” to self-identify and hide.
I personally have never been taught that anyone is saved by works but you have to take my word for it and I have just been called a liar and "an insulting servant of deceit" so you'll have to take that with a grain of salt.
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