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Not at all. I am simply looking for some common ground that we can all agree on. If we get up to the precepts were doing pretty good wouldn't you say?

I personally have never been taught that anyone is saved by works but you have to take my word for it and I have just been called a liar and "an insulting servant of deceit" so you'll have to take that with a grain of salt.

“I personally have never been taught that anyone is saved by works...”

False sacramental system = false works.

Grace + required works = works saved.

There is no treasury of merit distributed through the sacraments.

There is no saving grace earned through sacraments.

Do you deny the Roman sacramental System?

“The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation”, although not all are necessary for every individual,[10]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacraments_of_the_Catholic_Church

10: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P33.HTM

This is a system of works, never taught in the New Testament

Full sentence...

The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation”, although not all are necessary for every individual,[10] and has placed under anathema those who deny it: “If any one saith, that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary unto salvation, but superfluous; and that, without them, or without the desire thereof, men obtain of God, through faith alone, the grace of justification;-though all (the sacraments) are not indeed necessary for every individual; let him be anathema.”[11]

Not at all. I am simply looking for some common ground that we can all agree on. If we get up to the precepts were doing pretty good wouldn't you say?

But, what is the point? We already know that Evangelicals and Roman Catholics agree on many of the major tenets of the Christian faith. I have a good idea that you are also familiar with those where we disagree. Should we not better spend our time discussing those or is that pointless to you?

I personally have never been taught that anyone is saved by works but you have to take my word for it and I have just been called a liar and "an insulting servant of deceit" so you'll have to take that with a grain of salt.

I guess I will have to also take it with a grain of salt that you have "never been taught that anyone is saved by works" since I used to be a Roman Catholic and I know that is not true - but I won't call you a liar (I won't "make it personal).

Answer me this if you will...why do you think when I read John 10:27-30 I knew immediately that I had NOT been told the true gospel growing up as a Roman Catholic? Here is the passage:

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.

You've uh....tossed around a few words on this thread as well.

Perhaps you better step down from that soapbox.