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Pope Francis Denies the Existence of Hell
Rorate Caeli | 03-29-2018

Posted on 03/29/2018 7:40:27 AM PDT by NRx

[Scalfari:] Your Holiness, in our previous meeting you told me that our species will disappear in a certain moment and that God, still out of his creative force, will create new species. You have never spoken to me about the souls who died in sin and will go to hell to suffer it for eternity. You have however spoken to me of good souls, admitted to the contemplation of God. But what about bad souls? Where are they punished?

[Francis:] "They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls."


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To: ebb tide

I should have know the meaning of the post would be beyond your ability to understand. Some things just don’t change.


241 posted on 03/30/2018 8:19:13 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Elsie; Mrs. Don-o; aMorePerfectUnion; ealgeone; metmom
Perhaps then you can educate us poor, deluded Prots as to what was LEFT OUT of the bible; that Rome assembled; that is NEEDED for salvation and holy living.

Hey bro, if sola scriptura is unbiblical, then I am comfortable in my skin, being unbiblical. 😁 Actually, I never heard the term, until I got on Free Republic. I had to look up the definition, and I found it to be exactly what I thought it meant.
Hey, if some want to accept tradition over scripture, they can feel free to knock themselves out. I just have no intention of doing it myself. 👎

242 posted on 03/30/2018 8:24:04 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: ebb tide

When it being stated about the Catholic church by non-Catholics.

Then it’s the first line of defense by Catholics in trying to get people to not believe the message.

The Catholics try do it by discrediting the messanger.

That was easy to answer.


243 posted on 03/30/2018 9:49:53 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
It's been said....

Yeah; I've read that in the Book that Rome assembled.

244 posted on 03/31/2018 4:39:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Please join me in a pray for the triumph of Christ's truth.

Be VERY careful what you pray for!


“Unless I am convicted by Scripture and plain reason...

245 posted on 03/31/2018 4:41:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
Since when is stating indisputable facts a “bashing”?

Since when is claiming 'indisputable facts'; without evidence; turn opinion into 'indisputable facts'?

246 posted on 03/31/2018 4:43:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; ebb tide
...the Fifteen Promises of Mary.

Indisputable facts??

Or NOT???



 

Besides the Indulgences attached to the Rosary, Our Lady revealed to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche additional benefits for those who devoutly pray the Rosary. Our Lady's promise is shown in darker blue text. Additional explanation on and doctrinal connections to each promise is shown following in the smaller normal text font and color. Note that the Rosary is the prayer (non-Liturgical) with the most published Magisterial / Papal documents expounding on its excellence. Vatican II's summary on Our Lady is contained in Lumen Gentium chapter VIII.

1. Whosoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary shall receive signal graces.

Signal Graces are those special and unique Graces to help sanctify us in our state in life. See the remaining promises for an explanation for which these will consist. St. Louis de Montfort states emphatically that the best and fastest way to union with Our Lord is via Our Lady [True Devotion to Mary, chapter four].

2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.

Our Lady is our Advocate and the channel of all God's Grace to us. Our Lady is simply highlighting that She will watch especially over us who pray the Rosary. (see Lumen Gentium chapter VIII - Our Lady #62) [a great more detail is available on this topic in True Devotion to Mary, chapter four, by St. Louis de Montfort]

3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin and defeat heresies.

This promise, along with the next, is simply the reminder on how fervent prayer will help us all grow in holiness by avoiding sin, especially a prayer with the excellence of the Rosary. An increase in holiness necessarily requires a reduction in sin, vice, and doctrinal errors (heresies). If only the Modernists could be convinced to pray the Rosary! (see Lumen Gentium chapter V - The Call to Holiness #42) St. Louis de Montfort states "Since Mary alone crushed all heresies, as we are told by the Church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit (Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary)..." [True Devotion to Mary #167]

4. It will cause good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of men from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire for Eternal Things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.

This promise, along with the previous, is the positive part, that being to live in virtue. Becoming holy is not only avoiding sin, but also growing in virtue. (see Lumen Gentium chapter V - The Call to Holiness #42)

5. The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary shall not perish.

Since Our Lady is our Mother and Advocate, She always assists those who call on Her implicitly by praying the Rosary. The Church reminds us of this in the Memorare prayer, "... never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, implored your help or sought your intercession, was left unaided ..."

6. Whosoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of Eternal Life.

This promise highlights the magnitude of Graces that the Rosary brings to whomever prays it. One will draw down God's Mercy rather than His Justice and will have a final chance to repent (see promise #7). One will not be conquered by misfortune means that Our Lady will obtain for the person sufficient Graces to handle said misfortune (i.e. carry the Crosses allowed by God) without falling into despair. As Sacred Scripture tells us, "For my yoke is sweet and my burden light." (Matthew 11:30)

7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.

This promise highlights the benefits of obtaining the most possible Graces at the hour of death via the Sacraments of Confession, Eucharist, and Extreme Unction (Anointing of the Sick). Being properly disposed while receiving these Sacraments near death ensures one's salvation (although perhaps with a detour through Purgatory) since a final repentance is possible.

8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the Light of God and the plenitude of His Graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the Merits of the Saints in Paradise.

Our Lady highlights the great quantity of Graces obtain through praying the Rosary, which assist us during life and at the moment of death. The merits of the Saints are the gift of God's rewards to those persons who responded to His Grace that they obtained during life, and so Our Lady indicates that She will provide a share of that to us at death. With this promise and #7 above, Our Lady is providing the means for the person to have a very holy death.

9. I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.

Should one require Purgatorial cleansing after death, Our Lady will make a special effort to obtain our release from Purgatory through Her intercession as Advocate.

10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of Glory in Heaven.

This promise is a logical consequence of promises #3 and #4 since anyone who truly lives a holier life on earth will obtain a higher place in Heaven. The closer one is to God while living on earth, the close that person is to Him also in Heaven. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states "Spiritual progress tends toward ever more union with Christ." (Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 2014)

11. You shall obtain all you ask of me by recitation of the Rosary.

This promise emphasizes Our Lady's role as our Advocate and Mediatrix of all Graces. Of course, all requests are subject to God's Most Perfect Will. God will always grant our request if it is beneficial for our soul, and Our Lady will only intercede for us when our request is good for our salvation. (see Lumen Gentium chapter VIII - Our Lady #62)

12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.

If one promotes the praying of the Rosary, Our Lady emphasizes Her Maternal care for us by obtaining many Graces (i.e. spiritual necessities) and also material necessities (neither excess nor luxury), all subject to the Will of God of course.

13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire Celestial Court during their life and at the hour of death.

Since Our Lady is our Advocate, She brings us additional assistance during our life and at our death from all the saints in Heaven (the Communion of Saints). See paragraphs 954 through 959 in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

14. All who recite the Rosary are my Sons, and brothers of my Only Son Jesus Christ.

Since the Rosary is a most excellent prayer focused on Jesus and His Life and activities in salvation history, it brings us closer to Our Lord and Our Lady. Doctrinally, Our Lady is our Mother and Jesus is our Eldest Brother, besides being our God. (see Lumen Gentium chapter VIII - Our Lady #62)

15. Devotion to my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

Predestination in this context means that, by the sign which is present to a person from the action of devoutly praying the Rosary, God has pre-ordained your salvation. Absolute certainty of salvation can only be truly known if God reveals it to a person because, although we are given sufficient Grace during life, our salvation depends upon our response to said Grace. (See Summa Theologica, Question 23 for a detailed theological explanation). Said another way, if God has guaranteed a person's salvation but has not revealed it to Him, God would want that person to pray the Rosary because of all the benefits and Graces obtained. Therefore the person gets a hint by devotion to the Rosary. This is not to say that praying the Rosary guarantees salvation - by no means. In looking at promises #3 and #4 above, praying the Rosary helps one to live a holy life, which is itself a great sign that a soul is on the road to salvation. (See also paragraphs 381, 488, 600, 2782 in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.) In fact, St. Louis de Montfort says even more strongly that "an infallible and unmistakable sign by which we can distinguish a heretic, a man of false doctrine, an enemy of God, from one of God's true friends is that the hardened sinner and heretic show nothing but contempt and indifference to Our Lady..." [True Devotion to Mary, #30]

Reminder: these promises mean that, by faithfully and devoutly praying the Rosary,

Our Lady will obtain for us the necessary Graces to obtain said promises.

It is still up to each individual soul to respond to those Graces in order to obtain salvation.


http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/prayer/15promise.htm


247 posted on 03/31/2018 4:46:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
I was responding to Elsie’s bold alert that I was a “catholic basher”.

Well; what is it?

Do you BASH your legally chosen leader or not?


(Last time I checked the pope WAS a Catholic...)



248 posted on 03/31/2018 4:50:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie


In the meantime; His mom will be taking care of things on earth and bundling your prayers and then sending them on to Jesus.

249 posted on 03/31/2018 5:02:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Tagline.

Yes....and taken out of context as well like so much of Roman Catholic theology.

6Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from every brother who leads an unruly life and not according to the tradition which you received from us. 7For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example, because we did not act in an undisciplined manner among you, 8nor did we eat anyone’s bread without paying for it, but with labor and hardship we kept working night and day so that we would not be a burden to any of you; 9not because we do not have the right to this, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you, so that you would follow our example. 10For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. 11For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. 12Now such persons we command and exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to work in quiet fashion and eat their own bread. 13But as for you, brethren, do not grow weary of doing good. 2 Thessalonians 3:6-13 NASB

Nothing mentioned about worshiping Mary, apostolic succession, the papacy, etc....in other words...nothing mentioned about Roman Catholicism.

250 posted on 03/31/2018 6:34:59 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Elsie; ebb tide
Well....will any Roman Catholic confirm or deny these as "indisputable facts"?

When the 15 "promises" are brought up Roman Catholics start heading for the hills.

251 posted on 03/31/2018 6:36:40 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

What?

Did someone say something??

I think I have a doctor’s appointment...


252 posted on 03/31/2018 10:04:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
I have no idea ...

The chief priests and the entire Sanhedrin kept trying to obtain testimony against Jesus in order to put him to death, but they found none. Many gave false witness against him, but their testimony did not agree. Some took the stand and testified falsely against him, alleging, "We heard him say, 'I will destroy this temple made with hands and within three days I will build another not made with hands.'" Even so their testimony did not agree. The high priest rose before the assembly and questioned Jesus, saying, "Have you no answer? What are these men testifying against you?" But he was silent and answered nothing.

Palm Sunday of the Lord's Passion Lectionary: 37 and 38


253 posted on 04/01/2018 1:09:52 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

Are you comparing St. John, who stood at the foot of the Cross, and described it in his Gospel, as the same as the Sanhedrin who had born false witness against the Son of God?

Did St. John also bear false witness?

Wishing you a Blessed Easter.


254 posted on 04/01/2018 2:07:30 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
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255 posted on 04/01/2018 6:01:43 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

Although you don’t reference it, you are quoting Jorge Bergoglio. I don’t trust anything he says.

Look up Francis’ Little Book of Insults. This is the same man who said, “Inside the Holy Trinity they’re all arguing behind closed doors”.

The same man who said Jesus Christ pretended to be angry with the money changers in the temple; the same man who said the Blessed Mother may have despaired during Christ’s Passion. The same man who said the multiplication of the loaves and fish was not a miracle, but just an example of “sharing” (sounds like a good communist).

When Francis comes out and personally states he did not ever tell Scalfari that evil souls are annihilated instead of going to hell, please let me know. In the meantime stop bitching about “fake news”, starting bitching to Bergoglio for a clarification on Hell. While you’re at it, why don’t you demand Bergoglio answers the dubia (it’s been 558 days now)?


256 posted on 04/01/2018 6:49:23 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Although you don’t reference it, you are quoting ...

A hot link is a word or phrase in a hypertext document that can be selected in order to access additional information.
257 posted on 04/02/2018 3:21:08 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Here's hot link for you:

No one can be condemned for ever, because that is not the logic of the Gospel! Here I am not speaking only of the divorced and re-married, but of everyone, in whatever situation they find themselves.

Given in Rome, at Saint Peter’s, during the Extraordinary Jubilee of Mercy, on 19 March, the Solemnity of Saint Joseph, in the year 2016, the fourth of my Pontificate.

Franciscus

Do you call the above fake news?

It's been 561 days now and Bergoglio has still not answered the four cardinals' dubia.

258 posted on 04/02/2018 2:27:45 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide; af_vet_1981
....the same man who said the Blessed Mother may have despaired during Christ’s Passion.

Perhaps he is citing Roman Catholic Tradition.

https://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/7DOLORS.HTM

Seems the pope is more familiar with Roman Catholic "Tradition" than you are.

Just one more of the many reasons Christianity rejects Roman Catholic "Tradition" as being equal to Scripture.

259 posted on 04/02/2018 3:08:43 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Big difference between “deapair” and “sorrow”; but I guess you wouldn’t know that.


260 posted on 04/02/2018 3:35:21 PM PDT by ebb tide
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