Posted on 03/11/2018 2:06:33 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress
Bkmk
Look at Genesis 37.
Before his brother’s sold him, Joseph’s brothers took him and they lowered him into a pit. Verse 24 says, “And they took him, and cast him into a pit” . . . so when you are really down, what do you say?
“I’m in the pits!”
So when things are really going bad for you and after about the third or fourth time of bad news you say, “I’m really in the pits!”
You don’t even think that you are quoting God’s Book. You ask, well, maybe I might have read or heard the King James Version some time and that is how that slipped in – nope! That’s not what I believe at all – I believe that the same God that made this Book also made you. I believe that God left His handiwork inside of you – I’ll tell you something, you are going to continue to quote that Book right up until the day you die, because the God that made this Book made your brain and you are going to use the same phraseology that He put into His Authorized Bible.
So when you get down you are going to say that you are ‘in the pits’ whether you like it or not.
I’ve taken the liberty to ping you all as this will be an ongoing thread . . . if you wish me to remove you — I will. Otherwise, I hope you enjoy learning how many examples this preacher came up with - and he did not exhaust the list.
Thanks, PP!
You betcha!!!
Look at Exodus, chapter 36.
We have mathematical terminology in Exodus chapter 36 . . . “One board had two tenons, equally distant one from another . . .” so when I had new math we called that equidistant. Now I bet you thought you got that term from math class, didn’t you? You know where that came from? That came from Exodus 36 in the King James Bible. And they called that ‘new math’ . . . isn’t that deceiving? We had it in the seventh grade and they called it ‘new math’, and they terminology they used came out of a Bible that was 300 years old! Now that’s a wild thing, isn’t it?
You think those mathematicians when they got down to figure out the term ‘equidistant’, that they looked into a King James Bible to get it? Not on your life, but they got it from there.
Look down to verse 33 and you’ll see something else.
It says they “made the middle bar to shoot through the boards from the one end to the other.”
So, you want a straight line what do they say, they say ‘you shoot it’. If you throw a stone what do they say? They say you ‘shot a stone’. When you want a straight line you set up a transient and what do you do? You ‘shoot a line.’
You shoot something because that is straight. And he was talking about how they had the boards for the Tabernacle and they had a hole through there and you ‘SHOT’ a bar right through the center of those. So when we want a straight line you call a whole crew out here and you get yourself a surveyor and you know what he does? He goes out there with his transom and everything else and he quotes the King James Version because he ‘SHOOTS’ a straight line.
You can’t get away from it.
Thank you for including me.
My pleasure!
Here is the next installment . . .
Look at Deuteronomy chapter 29.
Deuteronomy 29, verse 20 talks about when somebody gets angry here’s what happens, “The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man.”
So when someone is angry you say, “Boy! They were smoking!” You ever see the cartoons? What do they do when somebody is mad? Don’t they make smoke come off of the guy?
Did you know that they were quoting the King James Version when they did that? An animator, a guy that draws cartoon has to make someone mad and they only way they can make it look like someone is mad is to follow a Bible that is 400 years old told him to do?
He had to write down somebody that was smoking when they were mad – they heat coming off. You know why? Because the King James Version says that when God got mad, He smoked!
Now I don’t believe that God pulled out a Winston or a Chesterfield . . . that’s not what I mean at all. What I mean is that God was so mad that He was smoking – He was simmering. Isn’t that what you say?
Don’t you say, “Boy, I got hot!” You got hot and you smoked! You can’t get away from it.
Please take me off this ping list.
Ok, so where are the quotes???
Shirley you jest . . .
Look at 2 Chronicles chapter 36.
And this is where the king of Egypt defeated the king of Judah, and it says that “the king of Egypt put him down at Jerusalem” . . . so, when you have been defeated, or something does not go your way or somebody really puts it on you, what do you say? “Wow, what a put down!”
Have you ever been put down in your life? Have you ever had anyone put you down? Or did you ever feel like you have been put down? Well, if you said, “Boy! We really put them down” You know what you just did? You just quoted a King James Bible!
Those other versions I was telling you about, the New King James version says that ‘he deposed him’, the New American Standard says ‘deposed’ and the New International says ‘dethroned him.’
Now, all three of those are true . . . but that’s not what we use, is it? How many times have you said, “Boy! They really deposed them!” Is that what you say, “All right! I really dethroned him!” No! You know what they say, “Boy! What a put down!”
I’ll give you a biblical example. You know when Haman walked in to see the king Ahasuerus, and the king says, “What should the king do to a man that he delights in?” And Haman says, “Oh boy, he’s got to be talking about me! I’d put his robe on, put his crown on, have the greatest man in the kingdom lead him on the king’s own horse!” And the king said, “Okay, you go do that to Mordecai!” What a put down for Haman! But you don’t say he ‘deposed’, “Wow! What a depose!” You are going to quote the King James Version! That is the most modern Book there is.
You talk about archaic words, I believe that this Book has clichés that we don’t even use yet. You think they walked around saying, “Wow! What a put down!” back in 1611? Of course not! But we grabbed it from that Book.
I always go to the KJV first, because I was raised on it, and because it is beautiful language and poetry. True poetry has a way of piercing the soul with meaning.
What you’re doing is interesting; but one could say as much of Shakespeare, whose writings are also inescapable and will be with us forever - though arguably many more people have read the KJV than have read Shakespeare.
The Bard is said to have died about 5 years after the KJV was completed; has a comparison of his sayings with earlier editions of The Word ever been done?
http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2014/04/45-phrases-coined-shakespeare-450th-birthday
(By the way: where’s the ‘science’ in this thread?)
As to Shakespeare, I cannot say . . . the science facts will come after the speaker goes through his list of Bible sayings that have found their way into common usage.
Well, OK. I’ll wait....but I was looking forward to some Science Stuff...
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Look at Nehemiah, chapter thirteen . . .
In Nehemiah thirteen, Nehemiah is going to yell at some fellows, and in doing that he says this in verse eleven:
“Then contended I with the rulers, and said, Why is the house of God forsaken? And I gathered them together, and set them in their place.”
So what do we say? When somebody really has it coming we say, “Boy! He really put him in his place!”
Isn’t there somebody that you would really like to see them put in their place? Isn’t that true? Don’t you say, “Boy! He really got put in his place,” or “she really got put her in her place!”
Well, Nehemiah did it first. He said, “I put them in their place!” and when he said that he said something that we will be quoting until the Lord comes back. And we can’t get away from it.
I wanted to call you over to this thread. I think you’ll enjoy it! Please invite anyone else you can think of that will also like it.
Look at Job, chapter 19
In Job 19, Job makes a ‘narrow escape.’ Did you ever make a ‘narrow escape?’ Did you ever just get by? You might have quoted Job when you did. I know many people have. In verse 20 it says,
“My bone cleaveth to my skin and to my flesh, and I am escaped with the skin of my teeth.”
So when you just get by, what do you say, “I got by by the skin of my teeth!” So when you just narrowly escape you say you got by ‘the skin of my teeth.”
I’ve got a quote here by Time magazine quoted a King James Version . . . in Psalm 107.
In Psalm 107 it talks about someone that just doesn’t know what to do next . . . and it makes this statement in verse 27,
“They reel to and fro, and stagger like a drunken man, and are at their wits’ end.”
Now I ask you, is that archaic? Is the phrase, “at their wit’s end” archaic?
Have you ever been at your wit’s end? This is Time magazine on February 22, 1988 – now you know Time, that Christian publication – It’s talking about the Soviets being in Afghanistan, and it says, “The war, meanwhile, is going disastrously for the Soviets. Alex Alexov, a senior analyst at the Rand Corporation – you know, that Christian organization, the Rand Corporation, it says, quote “They are at their wit’s end.”
Now you think that fellow opened up his King James Version to get that quote? You think that fellow even knows it exists? You think this fellow knows that he quoted Psalm 107 when he said that? Not on your life! That guy may be an atheist. I mean Time is not a Christian publication and the Rand Corporation is not a Christian organization and yet there it is in the middle of their magazine on February 22 they are quoting from the King James Bible!
Someone should have told them that it was archaic.
Well, you are correct that ‘put him in his place’ has come down to us in the Bible. But the sentiment was probably already in common parlance everywhere, when it was written down in that particular text.
I wonder how many equivalent sayings might be found in other ancient writings or inscriptions...Sumerian, Egyptian, Greek, Chinese, Japanese, &c.
There’s nothing ‘new’ under the Sun, especially when it comes to human observance of human nature ;-)
Look at Psalm 137 . . .
In verse 3, where it talks about being destroyed, it says “For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth.”
So when you really lose big you say, “Man! They really wasted us!” Did you ever say that? “Boy, they really wasted those guys,” or “We really wasted them, man!”
That doesn’t sound archaic, does it. That doesn’t sound like talk that is almost 400 years old, does it? That sounds like something you’d hear at the ball park. Now, you wouldn’t want to quote everything you hear at the ball park, but that really does sound like a sports cliché, doesn’t it.
You say, “Man, they really wasted those guys!” That is exactly what Israel said about what their enemies had done to them. Of course, the only reason that Israel said that was because some day there would be an America, and some day there is going to be some people speaking English, and some day they are going to use this as a cliché. Nope, they had no idea . . . and the men that use it today had no idea.
Perhaps, but by faith we believe that the same God that wrote the Bible also created the creature and He put His Word in our very beings.
“He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end” (Ecclesiastes 3:11)
Yet, I don’t know of any study of ancient languages that have been conducted that looked for common English sayings.
Remove me from this list. Not interested in irrelevant word games.
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