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Active intercession?
OSV.com ^ | 11-01-17 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 11/04/2017 12:24:50 PM PDT by Salvation

Active intercession?

Question: Are the saints in heaven active in the affairs of Earth? Robert Bonsignore, Brooklyn, New York

Answer: Yes, we have a lot of evidence for that. But exactly how and to what extent they are aware and active is not fully known to us.

It seems unlikely that the saints can merely look down and watch us as though they were watching a movie, or that they can know our inmost thoughts. Such things are probably beyond their capacity and might even be considered intrusive of our privacy.

It seems safer to assume that the saints are aware of our needs and condition to the degree that God reveals this to them. Thus, if I am asking St. Anthony to pray for me, his capacity to hear my request is facilitated by the Lord and due to the membership both St. Anthony and I have in the Body of Christ. By analogy, the two members of my body that I call my hands can interact by the fact they are coordinated through my head. Jesus is the Head of the Body, the Church and everything in his Body is under his authority and coordinated by him, including the awareness and communion of various members of the body with each other.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Prayer; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; intercession; prayer; saints
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To: tired&retired
Let the words speak for themselves.

Good idea!

321 posted on 11/05/2017 11:54:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tired&retired
If I were to list the characteristics Jesus taught us to exemplify as Christians, he exhibited all of them, including the most important, Love in his heart for God.

Jesus had another list:

John 3:16-18

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.


What was your friend's take on JESUS?

Do you think he is going to be SAVED thru Him??

322 posted on 11/05/2017 11:58:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone
We had one thread regarding Mary hit 6000 posts IIRC. Salvation wanted it pulled IIRC.<

Ah; yes!

And the great chasm between the Biblical Mary and the Catholic Mary.

323 posted on 11/05/2017 12:02:46 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tired&retired
How many Biblical followers of Jesus did He give new names?

Peter, Paul,....

Pete?

No...



NIV Matthew 4:18-19
 18.  As Jesus was walking beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon called Peter and his brother Andrew. They were casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen.
 19.  "Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men."
 
NIV Matthew 8:14
  When Jesus came into Peter's house, he saw Peter's mother-in-law lying in bed with a fever.
 
NIV Matthew 10:1-2
 1.  He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil  spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
 2.  These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John;
 
NIV Matthew 14:28-31
 28.  "Lord, if it's you," Peter replied, "tell me to come to you on the water."
 29.  "Come," he said.   Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus.
 30.  But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, "Lord, save me!"
 31.  Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. "You of little faith," he said, "why did you doubt?"
 
NIV Matthew 15:13-16
 13.  He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots.
 14.  Leave them; they are blind guides.  If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."
 15.  Peter said, "Explain the parable to us."
 16.  "Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.
 

As you can see, Simon was already known as 'Peter'
BEFORE the following verses came along.....


NIV Matthew 16:13-18
 13.  When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
 14.  They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
 15.  "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
 16.  Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ,  the Son of the living God."
 17.  Jesus replied, "
Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
 18.  And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades  will not overcome it.
 19.  I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be  bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

324 posted on 11/05/2017 12:05:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

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I guess even the blind squirrel finds a nut now and then!

(although I somehow doubt that this is what Smith was talking about)

The creeds are lies and nonsense. The way of Yeshua is in the Tanakh, the only scriptures that were available when he walked the Earth, and taught his disciples the Gospel of the Kingdom.

Yeshua was “That Prophet” of which Moses spoke in Deuteronomy, that would come and restore the gospel delivered at Sinai. Him we must hear!
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325 posted on 11/05/2017 12:22:20 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Elsie

No, it’s not strange at all. Jesus spoke of the Scriptures often. And I have said nothing to indicate I don’t believe in Scripture.


326 posted on 11/05/2017 6:45:24 PM PST by moonhawk (My Basket of Deplorable is Irredeemably mired in the Swamp of Crazy.)
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To: moonhawk

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327 posted on 11/05/2017 6:53:36 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Elsie

No, it’s not inadequate. But how do do you explain multiple thousands of sects each claiming to be the one true faith and all based on Scripture alone, and with many contradictory beliefs about what it means?

Maybe some aren’t so tuned into the Holy Spirit?

Or, maybe, when Christ said he would leave his Church the keys to the Kingdom, and that he would send the Holy Spirit as our teacher, who would guide us in all truth, that he didn’t mean for every one to try to interpret the meaning of Scripture on their own. Rather, that there would be one Church that would stand till the end of Time.

He certainly didn’t mean for anyone who wanted, to start their own Church, and teach as the Gospel whatever THEIR particular interpretation of Scripture was. After all, he started one of his own, and I’m pretty sure he didn’t mean for everyone who came after him to alter it, or overturn it. Yet here we are.

He also said it would never fall. Yet some are implying that it did, indeed, fall, and that it was virtually non-existent for many years, until Martin Luther, et al, came along and brought it back to life. Too bad for all those who lived and died in the interim, with no recourse to His Church....

That doesn’t sound very Scriptural to me.


328 posted on 11/05/2017 7:05:22 PM PST by moonhawk (My Basket of Deplorable is Irredeemably mired in the Swamp of Crazy.)
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To: moonhawk

“how do do you explain multiple thousands of sects each claiming to be the one true faith ”

They do not claim this. That is just a false caricature.


329 posted on 11/05/2017 8:11:32 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Those who use that straw man argument have no grasp on either church history or systematic theology.


330 posted on 11/05/2017 8:19:03 PM PST by reaganaut (For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God's will, than for doing evil.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Those who use that straw man argument have no grasp on either church history or systematic theology.


331 posted on 11/05/2017 8:19:11 PM PST by reaganaut (For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God's will, than for doing evil.)
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To: reaganaut
Reaganaut, long time since i’ve Seen you! I hope you are well. ☺️
332 posted on 11/05/2017 8:46:55 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

We are. Chasing a toddler is exhausting but loving every minute of it.


333 posted on 11/05/2017 9:10:58 PM PST by reaganaut (For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God's will, than for doing evil.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Not all, you’re right, but many do. And just look at the arguments between Protestants on this thread alone.

Is that what Jesus wants?


334 posted on 11/05/2017 9:30:21 PM PST by moonhawk (My Basket of Deplorable is Irredeemably mired in the Swamp of Crazy.)
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To: moonhawk
And I have said nothing to indicate I don’t believe in Scripture.

You've said PLENTY to indicate that Scripture is somehow lacking without 'tradition'.

335 posted on 11/06/2017 3:37:11 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: moonhawk
But how do do you explain multiple thousands of sects each claiming to be the one true faith and all based on Scripture alone,

Well; as soon as Rome can 'explain' the split it has with EO perhaps some enlightenment will occur.

I think that Catholics should be demanding WHY from Rome about all the splits within IT's ranks; before suggesting that others go first.

336 posted on 11/06/2017 3:40:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: moonhawk
He certainly didn’t mean for anyone who wanted, to start their own Church, and teach as the Gospel whatever THEIR particular interpretation of Scripture was.

And yet this is EXACTLY what Rome has done.

Folks of the first would say, "Yup; we know about that fella on the cross you guys display; but just where did all the OTHER stuff come from?

337 posted on 11/06/2017 3:42:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: moonhawk
That doesn’t sound very Scriptural to me.

An appeal to 'scripture' rings a wee bit hollow in face of the non-scriptural parts of Romanism that demand attention.

338 posted on 11/06/2017 3:43:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: moonhawk
And just look at the arguments between Protestants on this thread alone.

Yeah; sure...


https://cruxnow.com/church/2015/10/06/is-catholicism-about-to-break-into-three/

339 posted on 11/06/2017 3:53:57 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: moonhawk

Which non-Catholics are disagreeing with each other on this thread?


340 posted on 11/06/2017 3:54:58 AM PST by ealgeone
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