Posted on 10/11/2017 5:58:05 PM PDT by marshmallow
Edited on 10/11/2017 6:15:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
VATICAN CITY (AP)
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Sure wish he would talk more about unborn babies.
Amen
That vatican wall torn down yet, Francis?
Maybe it’s the AP—but it would be nice if he could say something positive about the Catechism and JPII rather than only point out that no one is as enlightened as someone nearing the Omega Point.
I just looked at the Italian—I’d say about two-thirds of the twelve paragraphs are devoted to setting up, talking about, and drawing conclusions about the death penalty thing.
So it isn’t quite as bad as the AP would have it, but almost.
Obviously the man knows nothing about Scripture. The Torah demands the death penalty, especially for wanton murder, because murder has two elemental components: 1) The victim is dead (or in many cases raped, tortured and dismembered) 2) The murderer continues to live and gloat over the death of the victim. Any government that does not execute a proven murderer is an accessory to the crime and will incurr the judgement of G-d. The perpetrators of these heinous crimes should be quickly tried, and when proven guilty, put to death. Their dead bodies should not be put on display to rot in public, for they contain the Image of G-d. “Thus you shall drive Evil from the Land. I am the L-rd your G-d.”
Catholics: Catholic Guide needs updating on commie pinko globalist Pope issue.
The wages of sin is death.
“Francis repeated his insistence that capital punishment is “inadmissible” under any circumstance.”
So when a gang member serving life in prison decides to kill another gang member (or have a witness against him killed; or a prosecutor or cop),
there is no further punishment that can be inflicted on him?
Where is the deterrent?
There is none.
Frances is channeling Obama again.
Funny nobody told that to Moses or the Apostle Paul. Or St. Thomas Aquinas.
Seems that one of the first commandments when we got out of the ark was to tell us that the penalty for murder was death.
Not a commandment given to the nation of Israel but to the whole of mankind.
But what does God know compared to the towering intellect and moral purity of Bishop Jorge?
“Where is the deterrent? There is none.”
In all honesty, the death penalty has not been a deterrent since it was re-instated by the Supreme Court. It’s far too long of a drawn out legal process to serve as a deterrent.
Satan can transform himself into an angel of light. Appeals to “compassion”, coming from him or his, are ludicrous. Yet foolish men listen and entertain the Lie.
The Catholic Church has opposed the death penalty for many decades. So the guide needs updating why, exactly?
“Not been a deterrent? Are you serious?”
Yes, apparently you are unaware of what the word “deterrent” means. For the death penalty to work as a “deterrent” it would have to “to discourage, prevent, or inhibit” someone from committing a serious crime in the first place. The fact that your own examples prove this is undeniable: “Convicted in Mississippi and sentenced to death, he became the first person executed in Mississippi after the death penalty was reinstated.” So, a man already convicted of murder once, was let out, and committed another murder. He committed that SECOND MURDER when the death penalty was back on the books. It did not deter him at all.
But let’s look at just how wrong you are using your own examples:
1) John Miller - 15 years old and therefore not subject to the death penalty and therefore no deterrence. His second murder was committed in the mid 1970s when California was NOT practicing the death penalty and it was therefore COULD NOT be a deterrence.
2) John McRae - was 16 when he murdered his first victim in 1950 and therefore no death penalty was possible. Thus, no deterrence. Sentence was commuted, he moved to another state (Florida) where he committed more murders. Florida executed more than 90 people since 1979. Obviously that did not deter McRae one bit.
3) Jimmy Lee Gray - Committed murder at age 18. “Convicted of second degree murder and sentenced to 20 years to life in Arizona, he was granted parole a mere six years later. He stayed under the radar for a few years, but it turned out his twisted killer instinct was never far below the surface and in 1976 he kidnapped, sodomized, and murdered three-year-old Deressa Jean Seales. Convicted in Mississippi and sentenced to death, he became the first person executed in Mississippi after the death penalty was reinstated.”
He committed murder in a state in which he KNEW there was a death penalty. No deterrence.
4) Corey R. Barton - “He remained out of trouble for six years, but in 1998, he struck again — murdering his ex-girlfriend and the mother of his four-year-old son, Sally Harris.”
In 1998, Connecticut had the death penalty. Obviously not a deterrent.
5) Howard Allen - “His death sentence was vacated after it was determined he was mentally ill.” He WAS sentenced to death. That means there WAS death penalty. It didn’t deter him.
6) Dwaine Little - Was 15 or 16 when he first committed murder. Death Penalty could not be applied. Hence, no deterrence.
Later, he apparently murdered the Cowden family. Never charged. In 1980, he murdered a woman. Convicted. The death penalty had been restored in Oregon in 1978. Obviously NOT a deterrent.
7) Arthur Shawcross - First murders: “In 1972, he raped and killed an 8-year-old and a 10-year-old in two separate incidents.”
It was in 1972 that the Supreme Court overturned the death penalty - but this happened AFTER Shawcross’ murders. Already in 1965, Governor Nelson Rockefeller had signed legislation which abolished the death penalty except for cases involving the murder of a police officer.
His next victims were murdered in 1988-1990. The death penalty was not reinstated until 1995. Then struck down in 2005.
8) Randolph Dial - Murdered a woman in 1981 when Oklahoma had the death penalty. Obviously not a deterrent.
Oklahoma started executions again only in 1990: “The state has executed the third largest number of convicts in the United States (after Texas) since re-legalization following Gregg v. Georgia in 1976. Oklahoma also has the highest number of executions per capita in the country.”
There’s no evidence he murdered anyone else. He escaped. He was captured. He died in prison.
9) Timothy Buss - “Sentenced to 25 years for the 1981 sexual abuse and murder of five-year-old Tara Huffman, Timothy Buss was paroled by the state of Illinois in 1993.”
Yep, and “Illinois officially reinstated the death penalty on July 1, 1977.” That means the death penalty was no deterrence at all. None.
After parole, he murdered a child again in the same state in “1995 the monster then raped, murdered, and mutilated 10-year-old Christopher Meyer. Convicted of aggravated kidnapping and 1st degree murder, he received a death sentence in 1996.”
The fact that he received the death penalty means it already existed - as it did when he committed his first murder. NO DETERRENCE AT ALL.
10) Robert Lee Massie - committed murder in 1965. “Originally sentenced to death, his sentence was commuted and he was released for good behavior in 1978. But in January 1979, he struck again, murdering a liquor store clerk.”
HE WAS SENTENCED TO DEATH for his first murder - which means the death penalty already existed and it served as NO DETERRENCE AT ALL. The death penalty also existed at the time of his second murder AND IT SERVED AS NO DETERRENCE AT ALL. “It seems he preferred the idea of a lethal injection to spending the rest of his life in California’s notorious San Quentin Prison. On March 27, 2001, he was put to death.”
Thanks for proving my point. In none of the cases you linked to is there ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the death penalty was a deterrent. NONE.
You in favor or opposed to the death penalty?
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