Why am I not surprised that protestants attack me for criticizing a protestant pope? He's their hero.
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Posted on 08/18/2017 11:50:52 AM PDT by fishtank
R. C. Sproul's popular lecture on Protestant Reformer Martin Luther.
Yet he's oblivious to that.
You're funny being a prot who claims to know who is an anti-pope.
33. That heretics be burned is against the will of the Spirit.
I haven’t seen your answer on this one yet. Yea or nay?
So, wait, are you now saying you are PRO-Pope Francis? It sure doesn't look like that with the multiple daily threads you post criticizing and condemning him as a "Protestant" and "heretic". Even Luther didn't do THAT.
...or the bible.
They might HEAR it a bit at mass, but...
I’m saying that you are not aware of what an “anti-pope” really is.
I'm saying that you are making a game out of this, trying to dodge discussing your own anti-Bergoglio (thus, anti-Pope) tendencies (anti- this particular and present0day "pope" anyhow), which was what boatbums was talking about --- not about "antipopes" per se, as those have been known of in past history.
It was those tendencies of your own that boatbums was talking about -- and you bloody well know it.
She was saying that you posted "anti" Pope threads, and with that understood to mean the threads you post are quite often anti-Begoglio.
Nowhere did she call YOU an antipope, (though I could think of other fitting & descriptive names to describe the type of slithering argumentative that you display) as if you were a contender/pretender for papal throne, (oh, excuse me -- papal "chair") even if you are among the type who does comes across as if viewing themselves to be "more Catholic than the Pope".
So you’re a mind-reader also?
Or are you posting under two different screen names?
Show me where I've been dodging Bergoglio's anti-Catholic, protestant tendencies.
I'd rather think I'm pointing them out.
You mean like you?
Don't start what you can't finish.
Such slithering. It is yourself who has been protesting against a [so-called] Pope.
The lady had been pointing out that very thing. Yet what did you do but say that she did not understand what an "anti-pope" was?
It was clear to me you had introduced that shift of focus (using near-identical terminology which carries significantly different meaning) as form of 'red herring' argumentative.
If not red herring, what was what you said to boatbums supposed to mean? She had questioned you concerning a portion of what you had posted from Leo X but you gave no reply save to say that she did not understand something...almost mind-reading act you had indulged yourself in (instead of more honestly addressing all that she had presented to you) ere you saying that Leo X was an "anti-pope"? I assume not.
Yet that does bring to mind, that nowadays, in regard to present-day so-called Popes, an "anti-pope" could be just about anyone a sedevacantist says that it is.
They do Protest much.
Your words, not mine
Why am I not surprised that protestants attack me for criticizing a protestant pope? He's their hero.
Your words, not mine
And truer words have not been spoken on this thread.
I just previous described how it all went down.
Of course, I do not expect anything like honesty about any of this out of you, or yourself ever gettign around to addressing what boatbums posted to you in comments #80, and #83.
Go back, clear that up, and then you may have space to file complaint against myself, provided you could be honest in your answer.
(Tony)Palmer and Bergoglio had intense discussions about Christian separation, using the analogy of apartheid in South Africa. They found common ground in believing that institutional separation breeds fear and misunderstanding. Bergoglio, whom Palmer called “Father Mario,” acted as a spiritual father to the Protestant cleric, calming him (“he wanted to make me a reformer, not a rebel,” Palmer told me) and encouraging him in his mission to Christian unity.
At one point, when Palmer was tired of living on the frontier and wanted to become Catholic, Bergoglio advised him against conversion for the sake of the mission.
Whatever "mission" Bergoglio is on is not the commission Christ gave to his Apostles.
Why should I answer to bitter ex-Catholics who attack my faith?
What was being done was comparison of many (including yourself, to some extent) criticizing not only Pope Bergoglio, but a great deal of what has transpired within Roman Catholicism -- that has been widely objected to by more than a mere few -- since (and chiefly including, it could be said) Vatican II.
Bingo. You've nailed the crux of the problem.
You were being "attacked"? Ha. That's laughable.
What was being done was comparison of many (including yourself, to some extent) criticizing not only Pope Bergoglio, but also criticizing a great deal of what has transpired within Roman Catholicism since (and chiefly including, it could be said) Vatican II.
Doing so is being more "like" Martin Luther than many appear to realize -- wanting to return to original teaching and traditions.
Luther himself had attempted to look upon what had more originally been within the wider more truly universal (thus actually 'catholic' as active verb) Church from the barest first beginnings of the Church.
Not being able to rely upon ECF's, and the like --for reason those can be found to be in some regards, in disagreement with one another when writings compared side-by-side, and those ECF's could be found in yet more disagreement (often only seemingly slight -- but still at times quite theologically significant disagreement) with scholastics closer to Luther's own era, Luther turned towards scripture as ultimate authority, yet when doing so was not "inventing" some new doctrine as much as more fully fleshing out what was in earliest centuries of the Church more common way of thinking among churchmen. It was one of those things that for the most part went without saying.
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