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To: ebb tide
Enough with the martyr act.

You were being "attacked"? Ha. That's laughable.

What was being done was comparison of many (including yourself, to some extent) criticizing not only Pope Bergoglio, but also criticizing a great deal of what has transpired within Roman Catholicism since (and chiefly including, it could be said) Vatican II.

Doing so is being more "like" Martin Luther than many appear to realize -- wanting to return to original teaching and traditions.

Luther himself had attempted to look upon what had more originally been within the wider more truly universal (thus actually 'catholic' as active verb) Church from the barest first beginnings of the Church.

Not being able to rely upon ECF's, and the like --for reason those can be found to be in some regards, in disagreement with one another when writings compared side-by-side, and those ECF's could be found in yet more disagreement (often only seemingly slight -- but still at times quite theologically significant disagreement) with scholastics closer to Luther's own era, Luther turned towards scripture as ultimate authority, yet when doing so was not "inventing" some new doctrine as much as more fully fleshing out what was in earliest centuries of the Church more common way of thinking among churchmen. It was one of those things that for the most part went without saying.

100 posted on 08/19/2017 10:27:32 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon
Doing so is being more "like" Martin Luther than many appear to realize -- wanting to return to original teaching and traditions.

I consider both Luther and Bergoglio in the same light.

103 posted on 08/19/2017 10:35:00 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BlueDragon
Luther himself had attempted to look upon what had more originally been within the wider more truly universal (thus actually 'catholic' as active verb) Church from the barest first beginnings of the Church.

Yeah, right.

"We must remove the Decalogue out of sight and heart."Martin Luther

105 posted on 08/19/2017 10:46:51 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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