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Believing Scientists Respond: Why Are You a Christian?
BioLogos ^ | July 31, 2017

Posted on 07/31/2017 11:58:40 AM PDT by Gamecock

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1 posted on 07/31/2017 11:58:40 AM PDT by Gamecock
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But, But, But science has proved the Bible wrong! </sarc>
2 posted on 07/31/2017 11:59:19 AM PDT by Gamecock ("We always choose according to our greatest inclination at the moment." R.C. Sproul)
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To: Gamecock
Simple (and best) Answer: the obvious intelligent design of livings thing starting with the bodies of the scientists themselves, leads to only one rational conclusion: an Intelligent Designer.
3 posted on 07/31/2017 12:02:22 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Gamecock

True science - confirmed by good-faith scientific method and impartial judgment by the scientific community - is a friend of the Bible, discovering what our Creator and Intelligent Designer God said thousands of years ago.


4 posted on 07/31/2017 12:05:58 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Gamecock
I was born into a Christian Family.

But it is my Faith that is the soul of MY personal being.

5 posted on 07/31/2017 12:06:23 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Gamecock

This is Francis Collins’ organization.

Thanks for posting this. I appreciate reading these.

This guy who said, “I am a Christian because I was baptized when I was an infant.” Is a bit unsure of the concept, but he got on track in his next statement.


6 posted on 07/31/2017 12:07:45 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan; windcliff; stylecouncilor

Francis Collins bump.


7 posted on 07/31/2017 12:25:44 PM PDT by onedoug ( KEK)
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To: Jim 0216

The intelligent Designer has to also be eternal and He can create from nothing. These are the only explanations for all that exists coming from nothing.


8 posted on 07/31/2017 12:28:21 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life
Intelligent Design's solid Biblical ground:

For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. --Rom 1:20 (NIV).

9 posted on 07/31/2017 12:33:10 PM PDT by Jim W N
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but all those atheist evolutionism lovers, well, obviously to them, these are not ‘real scientists’ because ‘consensus’ is all that matters to them....right???

excellent article


10 posted on 07/31/2017 12:35:46 PM PDT by raygunfan
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To: Gamecock

Thanks for the article. I appreciate it.


11 posted on 07/31/2017 12:52:21 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Gamecock
They're all wrong.

Everything you can observe existed compressed into a single hyper-dense particle. It existed that way for all time, until one instant, nothing happened, and that non-event caused the particle to violently explode unleashing everything you can measure, plus time and space. Everything - all matter and space and time came from nothing, by itself, with no outside motivating force.

But your ridiculous belief in a magical man in the sky who created everything from nothing - that is an insane belief.

< off sarc >

12 posted on 07/31/2017 12:54:01 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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To: Jim 0216

>>Answer: the obvious intelligent design of livings thing starting with the bodies of the scientists themselves, leads to only one rational conclusion: an Intelligent Designer. <<

Which is a great theological/philosophical point.

Just not a scientific one. Although I don’t know how a scientist could be an atheist since they (scientists) are the ones who plumb the depths of God’s wonders.


13 posted on 07/31/2017 12:59:28 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The UK has no death penalty, unless you are an 11 month old infant with no arrest history)
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To: freedumb2003

The detailed design of your body is not a scientific inquiry? How do you figure?


14 posted on 07/31/2017 1:06:39 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

>>he detailed design of your body is not a scientific inquiry? How do you figure?<<

Of course it is. That has nothing to do with Intelligent Design. ID in science (thank God there is none) says that you cease querying nature and just say “Goddidit.”

To say “with a Universe like this, there HAD to be a Designer (basically God but with the religion/worship part optional) is a perfectly fine theological statement.

But there is no applicability of ID in the Scientific Method. It isn’t a tool, it is a statement of faith.


15 posted on 07/31/2017 1:22:09 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The UK has no death penalty, unless you are an 11 month old infant with no arrest history)
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To: freedumb2003

Scientific/biological inquiry into complex body parts, interconnections, and functions make up the basis for observing and concluding intelligent design. TRUE science (not the phony Lying Leftist false “science” of today) knows from the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics that living things don’t randomly come together in a complex working design. But as with most things, the Lying Left does “scientific” reverse engineering to get the conclusion they want, but it is not true science.

ID is absolutely scientific.


16 posted on 07/31/2017 1:37:06 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Sgt_Schultze

I trust that you are being sarcastic /s. There is nothing more irrational than the belief that the universe, with all of its unimaginable complexity, is the result of nothing more than time + chance.


17 posted on 07/31/2017 2:13:03 PM PDT by tjd1454
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To: Jim 0216

>>Scientific/biological inquiry into complex body parts, interconnections, and functions make up the basis for observing and concluding intelligent design. <<

No they don’t. Just because something is complex doesn’t necessarily mean it was intelligently designed. It just means it is complex.

>>ID is absolutely scientific.<<

OK, let us say you are a scientist. Show us how you would use ID in an experiment. Or in a conclusion. What tool will you build in the real world? How will you apply ID? How will your ID finding be reproducible?

Those are the practical, layman questions. The Scientific Method questions practically write themselves but I will let you answer these first.


18 posted on 07/31/2017 2:13:57 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The UK has no death penalty, unless you are an 11 month old infant with no arrest history)
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To: freedumb2003
If a system is complex and works together for certain purposes, it is intelligent design. Science is theory based on factual observations and tests leading to reasonable conclusions. That's all ID is.

Through the study and analysis of a system's components, a design theorist is able to determine whether various natural structures are the product of chance, natural law, intelligent design, or some combination thereof. Such research is conducted by observing the types of information produced when intelligent agents act. Scientists then seek to find objects which have those same types of informational properties which we commonly know come from intelligence. Intelligent design has applied these scientific methods to detect design in irreducibly complex biological structures, the complex and specified information content in DNA... -- http://www.intelligentdesign.org/whatisid.php

19 posted on 07/31/2017 2:28:03 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

>>If a system is complex and works together for certain purposes, it is intelligent design. <<

No it isn’t The old and tired “irreducible complexity” argument just means “math is hard.”

I listed a specific set of real world scientific scenarios and asked how ID works in them.

You “um, er” strawman doesn’t answer those very specific questions.


20 posted on 07/31/2017 2:32:19 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The UK has no death penalty, unless you are an 11 month old infant with no arrest history)
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