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Luther’s Appalling Instabilities & Contradictions
http://www.catholicapologetics.info ^ | Fr. Leonel Franca, S.J.

Posted on 06/28/2017 9:04:53 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

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To: aMorePerfectUnion
A Roman Rooster? Heard of a Roman Cat Lick. But never a Roman Rooster.

Image result for roman cat lick

41 posted on 06/28/2017 10:06:37 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: redgolum

“They make many Catholics looks like tree worshiping pagans.”

They make many Catholics look right.

“Note, I am LCMS not WELS.”

Note, it was obvious. Note, don’t note the obvious.

“One rather enjoyable evening I wandered into a message board where a WELS member and a SSPX member were having a go. I am not sure who won, but they agreed all that didn’t belong to their parish were suspect.”

Break offs are usually like that.


42 posted on 06/28/2017 10:08:05 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Arthur McGowan; Nifster
Considering the disaster that is the current pope, harping on Luther seems a waste of effort.

Except that this Pope is determined to merge the Catholic Church with the Lutherans

Luther and Francis have one important thing in common: they are/were manifest heretics. They are/were not Catholic.

At least Luther didn't pretend to be pope.

43 posted on 06/28/2017 10:09:16 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: Luircin

Usually these types of thread are caucus threads. Only open for Catholics. But this one was way over the top from the get go. Insulting and inflammatory.

This thread will go on and on for another hour or two. Maybe reach 200 replies.

Then and only then will Jim Rob or the Religion Mod pull the thread and send it down the rabbit hole.

Seen this once - seen it dozens of times. Enyoy the flame back and forth while it lasts.


44 posted on 06/28/2017 10:12:10 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: NKP_Vet
the Catholic Church gave the world the Bible

That good pre-Moses RC tradition. Here I thought it was traditional to to attribute the Bible to God. It is now the word of the RCC? No wonder they never read it.

45 posted on 06/28/2017 10:12:34 AM PDT by xone
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

‘The Roman Rooster’, well done, you win the thread.


46 posted on 06/28/2017 10:18:13 AM PDT by xone
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To: ebb tide

Pages and pages of calling Dr. Luther a poopy head, and you call it an excellent article.

I’ll stifle my tongue on comments about why this is.


47 posted on 06/28/2017 10:18:54 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Responsibility2nd

Saw one of these threads two days ago, except it was bashing Baptists and they claimed it was a caucus thread.

Mod went and yanked the caucus designation asap, because the ‘catholic caucus’ line is apparently only allowed if it doesn’t mention any other Christian beliefs.

Whatever the case, I’ve alerted the mod; let’s see how long it takes before it gets wiped.


48 posted on 06/28/2017 10:21:20 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

49 posted on 06/28/2017 10:21:32 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: piusv

Francis and Leo X have one important thing in common. They are both manifest heretics.

Luther was lucky enough to get kicked out of the Catholic cult when he tried to preach the truth; otherwise the rest of us Protestants would still be trapped in the Catholic cult too.

Thank you Lord for Dr. Luther.

See, I can also be nasty and snarky.


50 posted on 06/28/2017 10:24:05 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin; Religion Moderator

I wish they would leave these threads up. Not pull them.

But lock them. No more replies.

A lot of people have made very reasonable arguments here. Both for and against proddies vs. cat licks.

Not that any one single point here will change anyone’s mind one single iota, but the time and trouble we have invested so far on this thread should remain.

Up to a point. Then lock it.

My 0.2


51 posted on 06/28/2017 10:26:57 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: NKP_Vet

What ever else Luther was he was able to read what the Vulgate said and that is what people needed to know in order to see for themselves that the appointed leaders in the church were just using religion to have dictatorial powers over the people.

I have no argument that Catholics were the first Christians after the Apostles, the only question i have is how fast did the Catholic Church turn away from Christ`s teaching and start making up their own rules?

It seems the main thing at Luther`s time was to make it as rough as they could for any common person to read the Bible
and who can blame them, when it finally happened there was a revolt.

Douay-Rheims Bible translated from the Catholic Vulgate
Mathew 23
5 And all their works they do for to be seen of men. For they make their phylacteries broad, and enlarge their fringes.

6 And they love the first places at feasts, and the first chairs in the synagogues,

7 And salutations in the market place, and to be called by men, Rabbi.

8 But be not you called Rabbi. For one is your master; and all you are brethren.

9 And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven.

10 Neither be ye called masters; for one is you master, Christ.

11 He that is the greatest among you shall be your servant.

12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled: and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

Mathew 20
25 But Jesus called them to him, and said: You know that the princes of the Gentiles lord it over them; and they that are the greater, exercise power upon them.

26 It shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be the greater among you, let him be your minister:

27 And he that will be first among you, shall be your servant.

28 Even as the Son of man is not come to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a redemption for many.

The same as the King James Bible 1200 years later.

Jerome Translated much of the Vulgate before ad 400 so was the Church more honest at that time? if not why would they let Him tell the truth?


52 posted on 06/28/2017 10:27:59 AM PDT by ravenwolf (If the Bible does not say it in plain words, please don`t preach it to me.)
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To: Luircin

Actually I wasn’t being nasty and snarky. I was being factual. To be honest, my post was more about Francis than your beloved Luther because the heretic sitting in the Seat of Peter is more dangerous than the heretics of old these days.


53 posted on 06/28/2017 10:28:05 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: NKP_Vet
I believe "conditional Baptism" is a way for a person to make the statement on his own vs. having "been Baptized" when a non-aware of the rite infant.

How could the public statement, much akin to a wedding ceremony and the attendant wedding bands be wrong and/or heretical?

Is it now a sin for an adult to publicly proclaim his belief in Christ?

54 posted on 06/28/2017 10:29:30 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: piusv

Factual, eh?

Okay, I’ll play along.

Thank God for Dr. Luther’s heresy; a heretic against the Satanic religion that calls it Roman Catholicism has to be doing something right.


55 posted on 06/28/2017 10:31:03 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin

Completely missing the point...again.

Let me ask you Luiricin, have I been snarky with you before? Have you been aware of the gist of my posting history?

I don’t care about the Catholic vs Protestant “debates”. I only care about the heretical crap going down in Rome...

There are other Catholic posters who fit the “nasty and snarky” mold even to other Catholics...I try not to go there.


56 posted on 06/28/2017 10:35:16 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: ebb tide

YOPIOS

Christians are encouraged to read and interpret the Scriptures and to love God with their whole mind.

In that context, God tells us he gives the church teachers to help us.

It is never good to outsource your mind ebb!


57 posted on 06/28/2017 10:40:22 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Luircin

**the Satanic religion that calls it Roman Catholicism**

Where are you getting this misinformation?


58 posted on 06/28/2017 10:52:34 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

“Where are you getting this misinformation?

Hmmm...

Willful, tone-deafness may explain why it is unheard...


59 posted on 06/28/2017 10:57:02 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: NKP_Vet

Is it a new moon? Time for FRomans to hate Martin Luther again.


60 posted on 06/28/2017 10:58:17 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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