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The Battle that Saved the Christian West
https://www.catholic.com ^ | November 10, 2011 | Christopher Check

Posted on 06/09/2017 10:03:10 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

Americans know that in 1492 Christopher Columbus "sailed the ocean blue," but how many know that in the same year the heroic Catholic monarchs Ferdinand and Isabella conquered the Moors in Grenada? Americans would also probably recognize 1588 as the year of the defeat of the Spanish Armada by Francis Drake and the rest of Queen Elizabeth’s pirates. It was a tragedy for the Catholic kingdom of Spain and a triumph for the Protestant British Empire, and the defeat determined the kind of history that would one day be taught in American schools: Protestant British history.

As a result, 1571, the year of the battle of Lepanto, the most important naval contest in human history, is not well known to Americans. October 7, the Feast of Our Lady of the Rosary, celebrates the victory at Lepanto, the battle that saved the Christian West from defeat at the hands of the Ottoman Turks.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: islam; jihad; lepanto; turks; west
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To: deadrock

The monarchs wanted a unified country with one faith; conversion was acceptable to them. They didn’t want to exterminate people who wouldn’t get with the program; they just had to leave.


21 posted on 06/10/2017 6:39:40 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
Yeah, I know. And exterminate they did of those who didn't get with the program.

When word spread, it hastened the exit of the Jews.

22 posted on 06/10/2017 6:43:07 AM PDT by deadrock (I is someone else.)
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To: metmom

Blah, blah, blah.


23 posted on 06/10/2017 6:43:29 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Man without God descends into madness")
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To: NKP_Vet
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24 posted on 06/10/2017 6:56:52 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NKP_Vet

God delivered king Ahab in battle as well, bad as he and the northern kingdom was. The southern kingdom was where the the temple was.

God used Egypt to preserve Abraham, Israel, and the infant Son of God.

Blah, blah, blah yo seff. lol


25 posted on 06/10/2017 7:49:12 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: deadrock
Read carefully what you posted: they were Jewish converts. Once they agreed to be baptized, then and only then could they be brought before the Inquisition for heresy just like any other Catholic could.

As long as they remained Jews the Inquisition had no jurisdiction over them. So they didn't go after Jews, per se, they went after heresy within the Catholic Church.

Now if you want to talk about the state policy of the Spanish crown toward Jews, how Torquemada influenced it, and how it caused many to feign conversion in the first place, ok, but that's a different story from the Inquisition proper.

26 posted on 06/10/2017 7:58:46 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Salvation

And in that list of titles “God”, or “Jesus Christ “ is seen.......nowhere.

But “our lady”, got some headline. Oh yeah.

Priorities.......who is getting top billing? Who deserves top billing?


27 posted on 06/10/2017 8:00:02 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: NKP_Vet

bump


28 posted on 06/10/2017 8:09:59 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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To: deadrock

75 years ago many of the descendants of those Jews found refuge in Spain as many European countries murdered their Jewish populations; since unification they’ve come a long way.


29 posted on 06/10/2017 8:56:02 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Netz

In hindsight it was mild compared to alternatives; the British did the same with the Acadian populations in the Maritime Provinces in Canada, and nobody even cares. Britain wouldn’t accept a permanent fifth column in territory they claimed; Spain wouldn’t either and decided they’d rather be safe than sorry.


30 posted on 06/10/2017 9:02:59 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

How were the Jews of Spain a “5th Column”?


31 posted on 06/10/2017 9:29:19 AM PDT by Netz ( and looking for a way ti IMPROVE mankind.)
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To: Claud
I don't have to read 'carefully' what I've read or what countless historians have. You do.

Jews that go caught pretending to be Christians, so they good stay in the area, were tortured and sometimes killed by Thomas of Torquemada on behest of the monarchy.

32 posted on 06/10/2017 9:53:13 AM PDT by deadrock (I is someone else.)
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To: kearnyirish2

Nice. But that does change what happened to them in the past.


33 posted on 06/10/2017 9:55:56 AM PDT by deadrock (I is someone else.)
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To: Netz

They were concerned that Spanish Jews would support a return of the Muslims.


34 posted on 06/10/2017 10:06:37 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: deadrock

You are minimizing it by saying they “pretended to be Christians”. They agreed to be baptized and to live as Catholics, didn’t they? Knowing, presumably, what the penalties were for Catholics found guilty of heresy?

So blame Ferdinand and Isabella and blame Torquemada for their policies against the Jewish communities. Don’t blame the Inquisition as a whole, which was only doing its job as an internal watchdog of the faith.


35 posted on 06/10/2017 11:38:20 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud
Pretend Christians, meaning Jews. Not minimizing anything.
36 posted on 06/10/2017 11:40:44 AM PDT by deadrock (I is someone else.)
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To: Claud
The Inquisition was an ecclesiastical court. It had no jurisdiction over Jews.

The Catholic church claims to have jurisdiction over everyone whether they like it or not.

37 posted on 06/10/2017 12:24:43 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom; deadrock

Not in ecclesiastical law it doesn’t. Find me a pair of Jews, Protestants, or even Orthodox and try to get a case heard before a Catholic marriage tribunal.

No Jew can be charged or convicted of heresy. Only a Catholic can. That is just how ecclesiastical law has always worked.

Right here, in black and white from a scholar who works in this field:

https://books.google.com/books?id=nzJ5340UZKMC&pg=PA212#v=onepage&q&f=false

“Contrary to general myth, the Inquisition never had any specific jurisdiction over Jews”


38 posted on 06/10/2017 1:58:31 PM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud

Catholicism does not recognize a marriage that is not done by a Catholics priest as valid.

That means they consider everyone not married as Catholics by a Catholic priest to be living in sin.

Not to mention the claim that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic church. They are claiming to be the sole means by which people can get to heaven.

Both those things are claiming jurisdiction over everyone on the planet.


39 posted on 06/10/2017 2:51:06 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: NKP_Vet

That’s the nicest thing you’ve ever said to me.


40 posted on 06/10/2017 2:52:21 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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