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The Trinity What Trinity?
Mordechai ben Avram

Posted on 03/28/2017 4:58:54 PM PDT by Jeremiah Jr

The Trinity What Trinity?

The Trinity is not the correct model of The Godhead. Yes there are three beings, The Father, Son and the Ruach Hakodesh but it’s missing one.

Isaiah 16:19 O YHVH, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. 20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods? 16:21 Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is YHVH.

The Trinity is another example from the ‘inherited lies’ section.

Let’s start at the beginning...

Hebrew is in order

Bereshet 1:26 And ELoHIM said, Let us make ADaM in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים נַעֲשֶׂה אָדָם בְּצַלְמֵנוּ כִּדְמוּתֵנוּ וְיִרְדּוּ בִדְגַת הַיָּם וּבְעוֹף הַשָּׁמַיִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה וּבְכָל־הָאָרֶץ וּבְכָל־הָרֶמֶשׂ הָרֹמֵשׂ עַל־הָאָרֶץ

1:27 So ELoHIM created ADaM in his own image, in the image of ELoHIM created he him; male and female created he them.

וַיִּבְרָא אֱלֹהִים אֶת־הָאָדָם בְּצַלְמוֹ בְּצֶלֶם אֱלֹהִים בָּרָא אֹתוֹ זָכָר וּנְקֵבָה בָּרָא אֹתָם

Ergo: ELoHIM is male and female

And the soul of ADaM was born in chapter 1, the physical form of ADaM was formed in chapter 2.

2:7 And YHVH ELoHIM formed ADaM (man) of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

וַיִּיצֶר יְהוָה אֱלֹהִים אֶת־הָאָדָם עָפָר מִן־הָאֲדָמָה וַיִּפַּח בְּאַפָּיו נִשְׁמַת חַיִּים וַיְהִי הָאָדָם לְנֶפֶשׁ חַיָּה

2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

וַיִּטַּע יְהוָה אֱלֹהִים גַּן־בְּעֵדֶן מִקֶּדֶם וַיָּשֶׂם שָׁם אֶת־הָאָדָם אֲשֶׁר יָצָר

Ben HaELoHIM (Son of God)

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

תְּחִלַּת בְּשׂוֹרַת יֵשׁוּעַ הַמָּשִׁיחַ בֶּן־הָאֱלׂהִים

Luke 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

וַיַּעַן הַמַּלְאָךְ וַיּׂאמֶר אֵלֶיהָ רוּחַ הַקּׂדֶשׁ תָּבוֹא עָלַיךְ וּגְבוּרַת עֶלְיוֹן תָּצֵל עָלָיּךְ עַל־כֵּן קָדוֹשׁ יֵאָמֵר לַיִּלוֹד בֶּן־הָאֱלׂהִים

Luke 4:40 Now when the sun was setting, all they that had any sick with divers diseases brought them unto him; and he laid his hands on every one of them, and healed them. 41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

וְגַם־שֵׁדִים יָצְאוּ מֵרַבִּים וְהֵם קׂרְאִים וְאׂמְרִים אַתָּה הוּא (הַמָּשִׁיחַ) בֶּן־הָאֱלׂהִים וַיִּגְעַר־בָּם וְלׂא נְתָנָם לְדַבֵּר כִּי יָדְעוּ אֲשֶׁר הוּא הַמָּשִׁיחַ

John 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

וַאֲנִי רָאִיתִי וָאָעִיד כִּי־זֶה הוּא בֶּן־הָאֱלֹהִים

Yeshua ben ELoHIM

Yes, the Messiah has parents, A little comprehension and retention goes a long way...

YHVH

The Divine Name, the Yud and Vav are Masculine and the Hei(s) are Feminine

Ergo: Father Mother Son and Daughter

Can you tell me their Names?


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Tehillim 150

Praise ye YHVH. Praise God in his sanctuary: Praise him in the firmament of his power.

הַלְלוּ יָהּ הַלְלוּ־אֵל בְּקָדְשׁוֹ הַלְלוּהוּ בִּרְקִיעַ עֻזּוֹ

Speaks for itself!

1 posted on 03/28/2017 4:58:54 PM PDT by Jeremiah Jr
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To: Jeremiah Jr

Taking a seat and pretending I have some popcorn.


2 posted on 03/28/2017 5:13:17 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Jeremiah Jr

Of course you know that the New Testament is not written in Hebrew but Greek.


3 posted on 03/28/2017 5:17:07 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Jeremiah Jr

Father, Son, and Holy Spirit


4 posted on 03/28/2017 5:19:38 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: RoosterRedux

5 posted on 03/28/2017 5:22:16 PM PDT by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: RoosterRedux

1:27 So ELoHIM created ADaM in his own image, in the image of ELoHIM created he him; male and female created he them.

So a precise reading says that Elohim created Adam in his own image, in the Image of Elohim created he him, in other words, .... the scripture clearly states that Elohim is male. After creating Adam in his own image, he created Eve, the first female, who is not precisely in his own image.

I am not saying that God subverts women to men, which I do not believe .... but that the Scripture merely states Elohim is male.


6 posted on 03/28/2017 5:24:19 PM PDT by teppe
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To: Bratch

Mmmm...popcorn.


7 posted on 03/28/2017 5:24:42 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Jeremiah Jr; RoosterRedux

With 32 mystical paths of Wisdom
-—engraved Yah
-——the Lord of Hosts
-——the God of Israel
-—the living God
-——King of the universe
-—El Shaddai
-——Merciful and Gracious
-——High and Exalted
-——Dwelling in eternity
-——Whose name is Holy—
-——He is lofty and holy—
-—And He created His universe
-——with three books (Sepharim),
-———with text (Sepher)
-———with number (Sephar)
-———and with communication (Sippur).


8 posted on 03/28/2017 5:31:44 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: Jeremiah Jr

“They ain’t making Jews like Jesus any more”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESNCWrks6vQ


9 posted on 03/28/2017 5:43:25 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Jeremiah Jr
Phase Four!
10 posted on 03/28/2017 5:58:27 PM PDT by Read Write Repeat
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To: RoosterRedux; Jeremiah Jr

My understanding is that Elohym is a plural rather than a singular form of God.


11 posted on 03/28/2017 6:51:31 PM PDT by ckilmer (q e)
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To: Jeremiah Jr
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.

Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

There is ONE God with three parts. Instead of the term "Trinity",which seems to refer to 3 Gods, Triune is probably more accurate and less confusing to someone wanting to cut your head of for being polytheist. Yes Elohim is the "feminine" form, but there is no male/female in Heaven. God is masculine as He refers to Himself as Father, Him, King, Bride Groom, ect. He never refers to Himself as Her, Queen, Mother, Wife, Bride, ect.

As Jesus, He prayed to Himself. There was never another God, but God in another form as God is omnipresent. God refers to Himself as Spirit, yet He came as a man filled with the Spirit as Jesus. I was made in the image of God, yet all you see is one "Chuckles", even though I am body soul and spirit. My spirit died but has bee reborn and in the Body of Christ who is at the right hand of the Father in Heaven.

(Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

Eph 2:6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

Eph 1:20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,( My resurrected spirit is here) Now, Jesus has sent His Spirit to live in me to make me a Son of God.

God was a "burning bush" in Genesis, only He took the form of a bush, He wasn't the bush. Melchizedek was obviously Jesus before Jesus by the names He was called. The Angel of the Lord was God at Abraham's tent when Sodom was destroyed. Who wrestled with Jacob and changed Jacob's name to Israel? Gideon also met a person named "Angel of the Lord" with a capital "A". Jesus was just a flesh "vessel" with God inside that sacrificed the flesh to save flesh. As Man sinned, a Man had to pay for the sin. Animal sacrifice wasn't getting it done. There is One God, but He has taken many forms. They are all ONE! In John 17, Jesus is asking Father to make all that have been given to Him one with Him, with Father, and with Holy Spirit. This encompasses the term Marriage, but that will take another 5-6 paragraphs to speak on. Just know that it is VERY important for you to be the Bride of Christ. We have been given the opportunity to become "Sons of God" created by Him, Just as Adam was God created, Angels were God created, and Jesus was created, by God. All others are sons of men that cannot enter Heaven. Unless a son of man dies to self and is born again, you will not see the Kingdom of Heaven. Carnal man cannot commune with a Spiritual God.

The flesh vessel of Jesus has received a glorified body with identifying marks just as we will receive our new body. Peter and other referred to their bodies as a "tent". Jesus told the Apostles that there were many "mansions" in Heaven. The body that we will receive will be a mansion compared to the tent we have now. We will not die, get sick, and be able to travel through time and space at will. The term Mansion does NOT refer to a building because we won't sleep in Heaven. Why need a house of any kind. The Son will never stop shining, there is no night. The mansion is our glorified body. When we see Him face to face, we will be like Him. In the flesh, saved people are called a Temple, or Tabernacle, because God lives within us.

So, There is one God in three parts. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

12 posted on 03/28/2017 7:00:43 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: Jeremiah Jr
Gen 19:24  Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; 

There are two Lords?

13 posted on 03/28/2017 8:47:08 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: Jeremiah Jr

Can you tell me their Names?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Easy!

Echad, Echad, Echad, and... Echad.


14 posted on 03/28/2017 8:56:38 PM PDT by Mr. M.J.B.
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To: Jeremiah Jr

http://tinyurl.com/mindofthemaker


15 posted on 03/28/2017 9:32:30 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: ckilmer
My understanding is that Elohym is a plural rather than a singular form of God.

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Elohim was used as a plural word in in the time of Moses and for over a thousand years after him. In modern times it has also been used as meaning the singular.

The context of Genesis however lends itself more to the plural. Since Christ says He was with His Father before He came to earth it is logical to assume Christ was one of “The Gods” referred to by Moses in Genesis.

16 posted on 03/28/2017 9:34:55 PM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: Jeremiah Jr

What happens when a Gnostic auto-didact is left alone with a few books?


17 posted on 03/28/2017 9:38:01 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: Mr. M.J.B.

Baruch Hashem!


18 posted on 03/28/2017 10:12:49 PM PDT by Read Write Repeat
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To: Jeremiah Jr
Can you tell me their Names?

The knowledge of how to correctly pronounce the name of God is still shrouded in mystery. No new Gnostic sect is going to discover and solve that mystery. There is one holy catholic and apostolic church. We wait.
19 posted on 03/29/2017 5:27:14 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: chuckles
Jesus was created,

Nope, begotten, not made.

20 posted on 03/29/2017 1:36:48 PM PDT by xone
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