Posted on 03/20/2017 8:23:03 AM PDT by Salvation
Well if it doesn't matter much then you and Campion just concede that it was His brothers and sisters mentioned there. Campion says give me names. I gave him names. He says don't try to bind believers to something not contained in the clear words of Scripture. So I give him the clear words of scripture. The words favor my viewpoint. Now you have a friend who says they were cousins and not brothers and sisters. I am assuming your friend is Catholic and therefore has a bias. The Bible clearly states they were identifying Jesus by saying I know His father the carpenter, I know His mother Mary and I know His siblings. This is specific. Not addressing a congregation as someone has suggested. The Bible is plain and clear. Believe it or not.
“Your question seems to assume that one could have, or needs to have, “proof” for pious devotions. This is by noi means the case.”
No friend.
My question assumes you have any evidence at all to substantiate your truth claim about dear Joseph.
I will take your answer to mean you just like the idea.
They were extended family or friends.
It certainly was not and they are not...
Brothers
ἀδελφός
adelphos
ad-el-fos'
From G1 (as a connective particle) and δελφύς delphus (the womb); a brother (literally or figuratively) near or remote (much like [H1]): - brother.
Adelphos means a male blood relative from the same, immediate family...Either literally or figuratively...
Many minister use the phrase Brothers and sisters, but they are really talking to their congregation.
Do you have any idea why??? No??? It's because we have all been born again...From Above...From the same father...We are blood brothers spiritually and figuratively...
And sisters???
ἀδελφή
adelphē
ad-el-fay'
Feminine of G80; a sister (natural or ecclesiastical): - sister.
This makes it so simple you couldn't miss it with the Hubble telescope...
Adelphe is a natural (real blood) sister or an ecclesiastical, born again sister, born from God, the same as 'brothers'...
Those words have never meant cousin, nephew, kin, aunt, uncle or kinsmen...
And since these words are used to describe Jesus' immediate family, we know that Jesus had brothers and sisters...And the only way they could be natural brothers and sisters is if they all had the same father, or mother...
"Truth claim?" I think you are making a category error here. This is an honorary and devotional title, not a "truth claim". Like if I were to pass on to my eternal reward and be dubbed Patron Saint of Internet Remedial Catechetics.
I would "be" such because acclaimed as such. It is an honor by acclamation.
And I promise you that if you were still on this terrestrial ball and hanging around the FR Religion Forum, I'd be hopping up and down on my celestial perch praying for you!!
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Amen.
Indeed! This is why I concluded that you could only mean it as something you like to believe.
This is an honorary and devotional title
In other words, made up to feel good. I get it.
That doesn't make it true, but it must resonate with you personally.
Best to you.
Oh, my mistake. Yeah, that sounds right. Iscool has a post repeating it. I just have a hard time with this “perpetual” virgin Mary demigoddess thing. Mary was a wonderful person I’m sure but this putting her on a pedestal (or a statue) would bother her. When we see Peter (Acts 10) telling Cornelius “Stand up, I myself am also a man”. That means NO worship, adoration or revere or statuary or anything else they can come up with is acceptable. Again my apologies.
FReegards to you and yours. Maranatha.
A sin (judgment) against the Blessed Virgin Mary and thus a sin against the Holy Spirit.
Joseph was to be, for all times, the trustworthy witness of the Messiah’s virgin birth. After this, he modestly retires into the background of holy Scripture.
Just what is this sin judgment? For saying Mary had other children besides Jesus? That she had normal relations with her lawful husband? If that's the case, write me down for one of them because I don't believe it.
She had only one child. Even Luther, Zwingli and Calvin agreed that she was a perpetual virgin.
Then Luther, Zwingli and Calvin are wrong and the Bible is correct. One + God is always a majority.
Lord, have mercy.
Christ, have mercy.
Lord, have mercy.
Christ, hear us.
Christ, graciously hear us.
God, the Father of Heaven, have mercy on us.
God the Son, Redeemer of the world, have mercy on us.
God the Holy Spirit, have mercy on us.
Holy Trinity, One God, have mercy on us.
Holy Mary, pray for us.
St. Joseph, pray for us.
Renowned offspring of David, pray for us.
Light of Patriarchs, pray for us.
Spouse of the Mother of God, pray for us.
Chaste guardian of the Virgin, pray for us.
Foster father of the Son of God, pray for us.
Diligent protector of Christ, pray for us.
Head of the Holy Family, pray for us.
Joseph most just, pray for us.
Joseph most chaste, pray for us.
Joseph most prudent, pray for us.
Joseph most strong, pray for us.
Joseph most obedient, pray for us.
Joseph most faithful, pray for us.
Mirror of patience, pray for us.
Lover of poverty, pray for us.
Model of artisans, pray for us.
Glory of home life, pray for us.
Guardian of virgins, pray for us.
Pillar of families, pray for us.
Solace of the wretched, pray for us.
Hope of the sick, pray for us.
Patron of the dying, pray for us.
Terror of demons, pray for us.
Protector of Holy Church, pray for us.
Lamb of God, who take away the sins of the world, spare us, O Lord!.
Lamb of God, who take away the sins of the world, graciously hear us, O Lord!.
Lamb of God, who take away the sins of the world, have mercy on us.
V. He made him the lord of his household.
R. And prince over all his possessions.
Let us pray. O God, in your ineffable providence you were pleased to choose Blessed Joseph to be the spouse of your most holy Mother; grant, we beg you, that we may be worthy to have him for our intercessor in heaven whom on earth we venerate as our Protector: You who live and reign forever and ever.
R. Amen.
Amen! Just what this thread needed.
I have already pointed out that your interpretation is incorrect. Am I right?
I seek guidance in Matthew 6:7 and Psalms 109:105.
You have told me YOUR opinion and Calvin, Zwingli and Luther. I have disregarded these as spurious. I go by the plain teaching of the Bible. Jesus had (half)brothers and sisters.
It seems odd that RCs are distraught by the fact that Mary was a fertile woman. It doesn’t make sense. I am sure her children brought her much joy.
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