Posted on 12/28/2016 6:29:13 PM PST by marshmallow
At today’s General Audience Francis said “faith is not just silence that accepts all without answering back, hope is not a certainty that safeguards you from doubt and uncertainty”
Complaining to the Lord is a form of praying. This was Abraham’s lesson, which the Pope reminded faithful of at the last General Audience of 2016, underlining that “so often, hope is hidden in the dark but helps us go on”. “Faith is also fighting with God, showing him our bitterness without any pious pretence,” because, Francis said continuing a series of catecheses on Christian hope, “faith is not just silence that accepts all without answering back, hope is not a certainty that safeguards you from doubt and uncertainty”.
Abraham, “believed, maintaining a steadfast hope against all hope, thus becoming the father of many peoples,” St. Paul wrote in reference “to the faith with which Abraham believed in the word of God,” the Pope added, “who promised him a son. This really was hoping “against all hope” as what the Lord had announced was highly unlikely given that the elderly man was almost 100 and his wife infertile. There was no way out but God said there was so he believed Him”.
Trusting in this promise, Abraham “sets on his way, agrees to leave his homeland and become a foreigner, hoping in this “impossible son which God was supposedly going to give him even though Sarah’s womb was as good as dead. Abraham believes, his faith opens up to a seemingly unreasonable hope; it, Francis said, is the capacity to go beyond human reasoning, beyond worldly wisdom and prudence, beyond what is normally considered good sense and to believe in the impossible. Hope opens new horizons, it gives us the ability to dream the unimaginable. Hope allows us to......
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Uh, yeah, I guess I do.
It’s not formal —me getting on my knees. I think I have an ongoing conversation with God. I think throughout the day, I’m constantly asking myself questions about what I’m doing, why am I doing it.
Frankie, go back and read about Jonah. See if you can learn something from it.
Does complaining o God about this Pope count? This Pope sucks.
Ummmmmm ... no.
Perhaps the "Peregrina Theologica?"
This Pope is a communist dope.
“Complaining to the Lord is a form of praying. This was Abraham’s lesson, “
When folks lose their firstborn after 20+ years, folks tend to look up up and yell— WHY LORD!
JUST my personal experience.....
Doesn't anybody read the Psalms anymore?
The Pope is actually accurate here.
Go back and read Abraham’s haggling with God.
There’s a history of kvetching (complaining) in Jewish tradition, including in their interactions with God.
Was there any hint of complaint in “Remove this cup from before me if possible.” Obviously Christ then said, “Let Thy will be done.”
Did Job complain?
Any human thinking they are closer to God than someone else is delusional.
Most Psalms end with “but you O Lord.” Complaining is not the point but God may work with it.
Job did complain to God at length and he was rebuked by the Lord:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+3&version=GNT
I assume you knew this? Jews complain. That’s what Jews do. We are part of that heritage by faith.
Exactly true.
Ummmm, be careful with GOD.
He will accept questions but he never accepts judgement.
His World IS your world.
Yes.
God expects us to bring Him our problems as well as our praise.
“Faith is also fighting with God, showing him our bitterness without any pious pretence,
No.
Faith is taking our bitterness to God and asking Him to remove it.
Fighting with God is not faith but rebellion.
I am in the Psalms a lot. You are correct!
Helen Steiner Rice, lol!
I think it is a Jesuit thing to try to push the envelope and say provocative and borderline things, because I have heard similar homilies like this at Jesuit churches in the past. It is not something becoming to someone whose job it is to protect the Deposit of Faith. Like a lot of leftists in the Church, everything is vague and ambiguous with this guy, so one could perhaps have plausible deniability, while undermining orthodox belief subtly at every turn.
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