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Astonishing Discovery at Christ's Tomb Supports Turin Shroud
EWTN Great Britain ^ | 11/26/16 | Deacon Nick Donnelly

Posted on 12/03/2016 9:15:33 AM PST by marshmallow

An astonishing discovery has been made during repair work to the Edicule -- the ancient chamber housing Jesus' tomb in Jerusalem's Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Scientists have reported extraordinary phemonena that may support the authenticity of the Holy Shroud of Turin.

On October 26, 27 and 28, 2016 a group of scientists and religious authorities oversaw the removal of the marble slab that covers the tomb of Christ. Marie-Armelle Beaulieu, editor-in-chief of Terre Sainte Magazine, reports that some of the measuring instruments used by scientists were altered by electromagnetic disturbances when they were placed directly on the stone in which Christ’s body rested. The scientists reports that their measuring devices either malfunctioned or ceased to work at all. Aleteia reports:

The phenomenon was confirmed by one of the scientists authorized to access the tomb. Later, one of the heads of the building and construction team, Antonia Moropoulou, indicated that it is really hard to imagine that someone would be willing to put in danger his or her reputation just because of a “publicity stunt.” Moreover, the journalist testifies to the scientists’ surprise during the opening of the slab: they hoped that the grave would be much lower than it was. Their conclusion: previously performed analyses with the instruments seemed to have been distorted by an electromagnetic disturbance.

The observation of unusual electromagnetic disturbances at the tomb of Our Lord may support a scientific hypothesis proposed to explain the creation of the mysterious image on the Holy Shroud of Turin. After five years of study and experiments scientists at Italy's National Agency for New Technologies, Energy and Sustainable Economic Development [ENEA] concluded that the Shroud of Turin cannot be a 'medieval fake'.


TOPICS: Current Events; History; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: churchholysepulchre; edicule; jesustomb; shroud; shroudofturin; stoneofanointing; tomb; turin; turinshroud
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To: Swordmaker
"..Accurate inventories..." By whom? When? How conducted? Where are the pieces today? How were the pieces gathered? It says nothing in scripture about gathering the "True Cross." Who states the Roman Government allowed their property to be taken away? In short what is the exact chain of custody of any given piece?

Once again it is miracle mongering as relics are money makers and miss the entire point of Christ's incarnation, death and RESURRECTION. Christ is the ONLY way to salvation not some piece of wood.

101 posted on 12/05/2016 8:18:36 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
"..Accurate inventories..." By whom? When? How conducted? Where are the pieces today? How were the pieces gathered? It says nothing in scripture about gathering the "True Cross." Who states the Roman Government allowed their property to be taken away? In short what is the exact chain of custody of any given piece?

Once again it is miracle mongering as relics are money makers and miss the entire point of Christ's incarnation, death and RESURRECTION. Christ is the ONLY way to salvation not some piece of wood.

I don't disagree that Christ is the only way to salvation. But your strawman argument based on faith has nothing to do with evidentiary or historical scholarship, Paulus, and has no place in such a discussion. No one is suggesting studying the Shroud or having relics or a piece of the "True Cross," are in some way a path to Salvation. No one is even remotely saying that, Paulus. None of this has anything to do with the historical relevance of the existence or the actual historical reality of these relics. They may or may not be the real thing and proving they are or are not is of historical and archaeological interest for many of us, and also for some who actually deny the existence of Jesus, it could go a long way in starting them on the road to belief and then faith. Your refusal to accept that stands in the way of that research and scholarship that may help them reach that result. It is not a challenge to your faith to examine these relics for their factual history and it is determined they are indeed fakes, nor is it a challenge to your faith if they are proven to have been actually the relics of Jesus Christ's execution and resurrection.

There were several such attempts at inventorying the pieces of the "True Cross" which was originally supposedly found by Roman Empress Flavia Iulia Helena Augusta, the mother of Roman Emperor Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus Augustus, in English called Emperor Constantine. However, these discoveries of the relics of the crucifixion occurred approximately 300 years after the event. Any chain of evidence was broken during that hiatus. The oral and written tradition which was reported in the histories written after the discovery by St. Helena, may be apocryphal, but the earliest was written in A.D. 350, and it is known that the claim was made then that she found the "True Cross" where it had been hidden by the earliest followers of Jesus Christ where it had been hidden away because it, and other things were secreted away because they had His blood on them. These included the 3 Nails, the Crown of Thorns, the Lance, the Titulus, and the Cross. She also uncovered the Tomb, which had had a Roman Temple to Venus built over it. She had that temple razed and had the first version of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher erected.

Some of the early writers of Helena's history claim those relics were secreted in the tomb itself, which would comport with Jewish tradition that anything which contained the blood of someone who died violently had to be buried with the deceased as the Jews believed that "Life was in the blood."

St. Helena left a piece of the Cross, whether or not it was the "True Cross" or not, in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher she built, the rest was sent back to Constantinople where her son the Emperor Constantine had established his new Capitol. There it was broken even further into pieces for political and religious purposes. People in that day and age did not put value on the completeness of archaeological treasures that we do in our day. . . and instead the aura and spiritual and political value far outweighed any value the item had in scholarly completeness for study. In fact such a concept would never even cross their minds. For example, it was reported that the "nails" were incorporated in the Emperors helmet and also in his horse's bridle, likely for the protection they might give in battle, or at least for the inspiration they would provide to his soldiers who would see him with them and know their provenance, and think him blessed by God!

It says nothing in scripture about gathering the "True Cross."

Not every word even spoken by Jesus was reported in the Gospels or written down in scripture. Scripture does not record every detail of the burial, or the exact details of the crucifixion, such as the names of the soldiers involved. It is NOT an exact history chronicle, nor does it contain a newspaper report on the events surrounding the execution of an itinerant preacher named Jeshua Bar Josef, alias The Christ. If it had, it might have included a few more details such as what you are demanding. Sorry. they had nothing even approaching such a thing as a newspaper in those times. . . or accurate history books. (Do we even today?)

The most comprehensive inventory of the pieces of the cross was done around 1870 by Charles Rohault de Fleury, a retired French architect who had won many awards for his designs and become a religious scholar and author, made a serious effort to catalog the actual known pieces of the "True Shroud" held both in churches and in private hands around the world. Where possible, he did an actual visit and measured the piece, cataloged a description, attempted to determine what kind of wood it appeared to be, and which direction the grain ran. Where he could not visit, he requested someone else to do the examination and measurements or estimates of the relics.

In any case, de Fleury's catalog is a comprehensive accounting of the extant pieces of the "True Cross" at that time. Using a reasonable estimate of the size of the crosses that were used in Roman times for typical crucifixions with a stipes of between three and four meters (9.8 feet and 13.1 feet) tall, with a patibulum of approximately two meters (6.6 feet) long. The averaged cross with reasonable wood dimensions for the Roman period, resulted in calculations that came up with him finding the original volume of the cross to be 0.178 cubic meters (6.286 cubic feet). The catalog measurements of the relics of remaining pieces totaled only ~0.004 Cubic Meters or more specifically 3,942,000 cubic millimetres (0.141 cubic feet).

Some larger pieces held by the Vatican and two others held in the Philippines have been added to that de Fleury catalog. These additions have brought the catalog up to total about ⅔rds of the amount necessary to make up the, two meter (~6' 6") patibulum, the cross piece. That systematic study's inventory, plus additions, is a far cry from John Calvin's 16th Century exaggerated and satiric "ship load" claim, but then Calvin never did any systematic survey of any kind, instead making his absurd critical assumptions from word of mouth and rumor.

As for where these pieces are today, they are essentially still in the same places where they were kept in 1870.

102 posted on 12/05/2016 1:51:37 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Ann Archy
Ann, it wasn't until years latter that I realized that a beautiful verse in The Bible described my vision perfectly:

2 Corinthians 4:6

For God who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

103 posted on 12/07/2016 5:13:25 PM PST by Bellflower (Dems = Mat 6:23 ....If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!)
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To: BereanBrain
On that show a few years ago where they did the scanning of the image of the shroud, there was some female physicist that is highly regarded. She figures that the Resurrection was a “singularity” - like a big-bang, mini-creation event that caused the energy to imprint the shroud.
104 posted on 12/07/2016 5:36:00 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: 21twelve

Interesting.


105 posted on 12/08/2016 3:56:00 PM PST by AnalogReigns (Real life is ANALOG...)
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To: AnalogReigns
Who knows - but theologically it makes sense too “making all things new” and stuff like that.
106 posted on 12/08/2016 4:01:02 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: luvbach1

yes, but it later turned out they took a part of the cloth that had been added to make a repair... pretty much the stupidest place they could have taken a piece from.


107 posted on 12/08/2016 4:05:48 PM PST by Mr. K ( Trump kicked her ass 2-to-1 if you remove all the voter fraud.)
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To: marshmallow
that some of the measuring instruments used by scientists were altered by electromagnetic disturbances when they were placed directly on the stone in which Christ’s body rested. The scientists reports that their measuring devices either malfunctioned or ceased to work at all. Aleteia reports

My God is an awesome God.

108 posted on 12/08/2016 4:09:11 PM PST by mware (RETIRED)
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To: marshmallow

Does anyone know if the sign of the serpent is in the heavens at all, yet detected?


109 posted on 12/08/2016 5:14:01 PM PST by Bellflower (Dems = Mat 6:23 ....If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!)
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