Posted on 11/06/2016 5:09:44 PM PST by Sontagged
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places
The Bible is very clear that there are spiritual forces behind many of the issues that Christians deal with. And the Bible clearly tells us how to confront these spiritual forces.
The Lord Jesus showed His disciples how to deal with entrenched forces that are extremely difficult to defeat. This is found in both Matthew and Mark. The Bible gives great detail to this encounter to which I think we should really pay close attention.
Both of these gospels give account of the story of a father who brought his young son to the Lord Jesus to be healed. The disciples were unable to heal the child. The young boy had mental problems; however, behind these problems were an unclean spirit. The oppression of this devil manifested itself in mental problems in the young child.
The Lord Jesus made it clear that it took faith to free the boy of this oppression. The boy's father then made a statement that I have used many times in my own life:
Mark 9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
There were many times in my life that I believed yet unbelief was screaming at me, and I echoed Mark 24 just like the boy's father.
The Lord Jesus privately taught His disciples that the problem was it took faith to defeat the devil and free the boy, and they were full of unbelief. In both gospel accounts, the Lord Jesus made it very clear the problem was faith, but he then added that the faith also involved prayer and fasting.
To obtain victory of this entrenched devil, it took faith along with prayer and fasting. In difficult spiritual battles the Lord was telling us that both prayer and fasting was needed.
The verses to show this follow:
Matthew 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
Mark 9:29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.
I posted both gospel accounts of this incident so you can see how important prayer and fasting are in spiritual warfare.
The NIV and almost all modern translations omit Matthew 17:21 and omit fasting from Mark 9:29! If the translation contains Matthew 17:21 there is a footnote stating the oldest manuscripts do not contain this verse. How can a person have faith about a verse, if it is in a bracket with a footnote questioning its authority as part of the Bible?
The Lord Jesus made it clear that in difficult spiritual warfare with entrenched demonic forces that both prayer and fasting were needed to defeat them. These modern translations omitting fasting insulate demonic forces that cannot be defeated. This is like a coup for the devil, as he used spiritual corrupt "scholars" and publishers to promote modern translations which insulate him from defeat.
I have dealt with many Christians that are under the care of a doctor and taking drugs for depression, anxiety and other mental problems. There is a lack of power in their life and in the church they are attending.
There could be several reasons for this, but one reason I believe is that prayer and fasting to deal with these issues have been removed from the modern translations.
These people are trapped and what they need for the victory has been stripped from the translations they read, while the answer is found in the KJV. I also posted about the modern translations removing that: "the Lord Jesus came to heal the brokenhearted" as found in Luke 4:18. When you add this to the removal of prayer and fasting, a clear picture is coming into focus how satan is using the modern translation to keep Christians defeated and insulate himself from defeat.
There are spiritual reasons why the words and verses were removed from the modern translations.The spiritual power is found in the King James Bible, as it was not corrupted and contains the complete word of God.
Matthew (KJV) Mathew 17:14,15 And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying, Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is a lunatic, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water. (16) And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him. (:17) Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me. (18) And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. (19) Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? (20) And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. (21) Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
Mark (KJV) Mark 9:17,18 And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit; And wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and gnasheth with his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast him out; and they could not. Mark 9:19 He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me. Mark 9:20 And they brought him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming. Mark 9:21 And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child. Mark 9:22 And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us. Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. Mark 9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief. Mark 9:25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him. Mark 9:26 And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead. Mark 9:27 But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose. Mark 9:28 And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out? Mark 9:29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.
I have posted the NIV to show how Mark 9:29 and Mattherw17:21 have been altered in the modern translations:
Matthew (NIV) Matthew 17:14,15 When they came to the crowd, a man approached Jesus and knelt before him. "Lord, have mercy on my son," he said. "He has seizures and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or into the water. (16) I brought him to your disciples, but they could not heal him." (17) "You unbelieving and perverse generation," Jesus replied, "how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring the boy here to me." (18) Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed at that moment. (19) Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked, "Why couldn't we drive it out?" (20) He replied, "Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you." (21) (22) When they came together in Galilee, he said to them, "The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men.
Mark (NIV) Mark 9:25 When Jesus saw that a crowd was running to the scene, he rebuked the impure spirit. "You deaf and mute spirit," he said, "I command you, come out of him and never enter him again." (26) The spirit shrieked, convulsed him violently and came out. The boy looked so much like a corpse that many said, "He's dead." (27) But Jesus took him by the hand and lifted him to his feet, and he stood up. (28) After Jesus had gone indoors, his disciples asked him privately, "Why couldn't we drive it out?" (29) He replied, "This kind can come out only by prayer."
By John McTernan: Defend and Proclaim the Faith Blog: John McTernan's Insights at www.johnmcternan.name
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>> “Stick with King James version.” <<
Good policy in general, but recognize that all of the italicized words are deliberate doctrinal corruption, and must be ignored in most cases.
This is especially true in the new testament writings.
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Well, actually this is what you find; Footnotes:
“Matthew 17:21 Some manuscripts include here words similar to Mark 9:29.”
So then you go to Mark 9:29 in the New International Version and it says:
29 He replied, “This kind can come out only by prayer.[a]”
Footnotes:
Mark 9:29 Some manuscripts prayer and fasting
Mark 9:25 dumb and deaf spirit. Mark 9:29 This kind can come forth by nothing but prayer.
This spirit was deaf, so it could not hear the disciples tell it to leave.
I love mine too, and am so worried that I am wearing it out. A few pages have come loose, and I do not want any other bible, even though I know that is wrong.
When my first born died unexpectedly at 21 years old, I went to my Jerusalem Bible, in tears, and randomly opened it to a page, hoping for an answer.
It opened up to Job’s final answer to God. I believe God spoke to me that day, through Job.
LOL but if you read the article, Mark 9:29 actually says “by prayer and fasting”.
I’ve had the same experience by opening to a verse; Lord bless you in your loss.
St Augustine, btw, reported that he had the same thing happen to him, with a bible opening to a page that answered one of his questions when he first became a Christian. The Lord has the right to communicate with us however He sees wants.
I don’t think it’s wrong to like the Catholic Jerusalem Bible? It’s wonderful, don’t put false guilt on yourself for no reason. If you are really concerned about the meaning, check it against the KJV. Bless you.
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The word “fasting” isn’t in the Greek text. It is added by some translators.
These passages aren’t about fasting. They contain the Lord’s explanation of why his disciples could not expel a spirit.
The point is: anyone involved in spiritual warfare may need to know that a deaf spirit can only be expelled by prayer.
We wrestle not against flesh and blood,
Prayers for Donald Trump, Mike Pence and their families, for their spiritual and physical protection,
Time for believers to fast and pray, we must get on our knees now, today, tonight, tomorrow morning, before things are set in stone and legally completed,
Pray the people will wake up and see the bias and media distortions designed to install the corrupt and lawless Clinton administration and her Muslim Brotherhood masters.
Satan is using every lying sign and wonder and will give power to who he will, our prayers are having an impact,
Satan has to destroy the freedoms that believers have in the USA as we have been an effective unhindered opposition spiritually withstanding him, we are where we are today because so many have fallen away or fallen asleep,
Again, fast and pray, now is the time
So you don’t think fasting and prayer are potent spiritual weapons?
Have you ever experienced anyone who had a deaf and dumb spirit?
Prayer is the most potent spiritual procedure. Fasting may help as preparation for prayer, but there isn’t always time for it.
I have experienced cases where verbally commanding a spirit to leave didn’t work, but it was expelled by prayer.
I’m not sure why you are mincing words, but what is the difference between commanding a spirit to leave in the name of Jesus (which is the only authority by which you could do so) — or a prayer?
I’m sure the Lord knew what He was saying when He instructed the disciples that they needed to fast and pray for the spirit to leave. Why is this an issue for you?
I pray you change your heart for the time is short. Good day.
These modern translations omitting fasting insulate demonic forces that cannot be defeated.
KJVO is easier than actually learning about textual transmission.
Commanding a spirit to leave in the name of Jesus is communication with that spirit. Prayer is communication with God.
This isn’t an issue for me.
I think you mistake “supplication” for prayer there; but as long as you do the Lord’s work, I’m good.
Matthew 17:21
This kind goeth not out but by prayer, etc. - Τουτο το γενος, this kind, some apply to the faith which should be exercised on the occasion, which goeth not out, doth not exert itself, but by prayer and fasting; but this interpretation is, in my opinion, far from solid. However, there is great difficulty in the text. The whole verse is wanting in the famous Vatican MS., one of the most ancient and most authentic perhaps in the world; and in another one of Colbert’s, written in the 11th or 12th century. It is wanting also in the Coptic, Ethiopic, Syriac, Hieros., and in one copy of the Itala. But all the MSS. acknowledge it in the parallel place, Mark 9:29, only the Vatican MS. leaves out νηϚεια, fasting. I strongly suspect it to be an interpolation; but, if it be, it is very ancient, as Origen, Chrysostom, and others of the primitive fathers, acknowledged it. But while candour obliges me to acknowledge that I cannot account for the fact here alleged, that a certain class or genus of demons cannot be expelled but by prayer and fasting, while others may be ejected without them, I can give a sense to the passage which all my readers will easily understand: viz. that there are certain evil propensities, in some persons, which pampering the flesh tends to nourish and strengthen; and that self-denial and fasting, accompanied by prayer to God, are the most likely means, not only to mortify such propensities, but also to destroy them. For other remarkable circumstances relative to this case, see the notes on Mark 9:17, etc.
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Mark 9:17
A dumb spirit - That is, a demon who afflicted those in whom it dwelt with an incapacity of speaking. The spirit itself could not be either deaf or dumb. These are accidents that belong only to organized animate bodies.
So Clarke backs up the original text reading that fasting is required with prayer because it mortifies the flesh and therefore gives a certain authority over the demonic realm.
Any thinking Pentecostal or intellectual Charismatic knows this. I was unaware of the issue before I posted the article, quite frankly.
Nonetheless, as my thread on wondering whether or not Janet Reno may have been a ritualized occult killing was pulled (and drat, I had to step away from the computer and did not see any responses until it was pulled) —
I will be again praying and fasting through tomorrow night.
In light of the Wikileaks blood sacrifice revelations, and because Obama’s grandmother died the same time Janet Reno did — on Election Eve —
I pray now for the exposure of wickedness in high places in that these people would, if indeed they are of the occult, that these people would be exposed and their occult stratagems nullified and rendered impotent in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
Lord have mercy on this nation. I know You hear our prayer, Lord God.
I know which I choose.
And regarding the election coming up? God knows what the result is going to be, one which may not please Him, but will be exactly what we as a nation deserve for our rejection of Him and His Son as our Guide and Light.
Your prayers had better be directed toward how you will react to the result that is already Providentially determined.
I’m not sure about your 1880 date, but the Bible interprets itself and the Greek for “fasting” here is as a religious exercise, not just abstaining from food for the physical benefits of fasting.
Jesus was himself fasting for forty days in the desert, when He had victory over Satan; so this is most likely why He was emphatic that “this kind (of satanic entity) comes out only by prayer and fasting”...
It is all in the same way He pulled down “strongholds” or lies and accusations of Satan’s misuse of scripture in the temptation in the desert.
http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3521&t=KJV
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