[St]Thomas Becket's Personal Book of Psalms 'Found in Cambridge Library'

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[vladimir998]

“Psalm 119:89 “For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.””

That’s the Word, not just the Bible. The Word is not restricted to the written word. Also, that passage shows it refers to God’s commands, not to the Bible in itself.

[vladimir998]

miss marmelstein, do you know where I can find that prayer? Is it the “personal prayer of Richard III”?

http://www.medievalhistories.com/book-of-hours-of-richard-iii/

[Agamemnon]

That’s the Word, not just the Bible. The Word is not restricted to the written word. Also, that passage shows it refers to God’s commands, not to the Bible in itself.

"The Word" (capital "W") was not yet revealed in the Old Testament. The only reference to the word in the Old testament was the written word and the words of the prophets - and many of those words (though not all of course) are written in Scripture.

"The Word" = Jesus Christ (John 1:1-5) " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, the same was in the beginning with God..."

There is the living Word, Jesus Christ, and the written word (small case "w"). There is writing in Heaven - names written in the Lamb's Book of Life comes to mind. There are more than just God's commands which are written in heaven.

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, ...," God's own finger wrote the 10 commandments (Exodus 31:17 & 18). Why must you conclude that the written word, aka "the Scripture," aka "The Bible" is not written down in heaven also?

Jesus Christ is "the author and finisher of our faith,..." (Hebrews 12:2) What prevents any author from ever having a copy of His own written words?

FReegards!

[vladimir998]

“”The Word” (capital “W”) was not yet revealed in the Old Testament.”

If it’s God’s Word, I often capitalize it. I made no reference to The Word (the Incarnate Word, Christ). Thus, everything you wrote was either moot or simply doesn’t address what I posted. The end result is the same: Psalm 119:89 says nothing about the Bible’s place in Heaven. You failed to answer Tax-chick’s question.

[Agamemnon]

If it’s God’s Word, I often capitalize it. I made no reference to The Word (the Incarnate Word, Christ). Thus, everything you wrote was either moot or simply doesn’t address what I posted.

Respectfully Vlad, it is not my point which is moot, rather the simple fact is that you have not written in a way that capably establishes your side in this discussion.

The end result is the same: Psalm 119:89 says nothing about the Bible’s place in Heaven. You failed to answer Tax-chick’s question.

Respectfully, it appears that you have an inherent disconnect with referring to the word of God as the Bible itself. The "word of God" is routinely referred to wholly and interchangeably with the term, "the Bible." This is not a hard concept for most Christians.

Tax-Chick directed no posting to me and she asked no question of me. I posted a response to her post #17.

Since I did not intend to answer her question of Big Red Badger in post #13, it is not incumbent upon me to answer a question directed to another poster. I have not failed to answer a question, since none was asked of me to answer.

You need to follow the discussion more carefully.

FReegards!

[vladimir998]

“Respectfully Vlad, it is not my point which is moot, rather the simple fact is that you have not written in a way that capably establishes your side in this discussion.”

You failed to make a credible answer to Tax-chick. I was not required to “establishe[s] [my] side in this discussion.” I was merely required to show you failed. I did so. You then dug your hole deeper. I handed you the shovel perhaps, but you did all the digging.

“You need to follow the discussion more carefully.”

You need to participate in discussion more carefully.

[Tax-chick]

This has turned into an interesting discussion which is far more detailed than my rather light (though sincerely meant) comment merited.

And now, back to my regularly-scheduled domestic chaos.

[Agamemnon]

You failed to make a credible answer to Tax-chick.

Tax-chick asked me no question; there was, therefore, no answer to make. Your criticism fails for relevance.

I was not required to “establishe[s] [my] side in this discussion.”

It is always incumbent upon a poster to credibly establish their position in a discussion.

I was merely required to show you failed.

And your position has collapsed spectacularly under the weight of that self-imposed burden.

My postings to Tax-Chick and Big Red Badger made points quoting from passages of Scripture. Your postings to me by contrast have not made the slightest attempt base your position in Scripture. I will allow that to speak for itself

What has failed in this dialog has been your ability to make a point without stumbling over your incompetence while trying to make it. Your poorly constructed arguments are only surpassed by the fact that they are not founded in truth.

Thanks for playing.

FReegards!

[vladimir998]

“Tax-chick asked me no question;”

Your failure then was to someone else.

“there was, therefore, no answer to make.”

This is a question: “What will the Bibles place be in Heaven?” What you posted was an answer to it. You’re now saying you didn’t do it. You even quoted what question you were answering: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3476011/posts#18

“Your criticism fails for relevance.”

My criticism is spot on and your own post shows it.

[miss marmelstein]

Let me see what I can do for you.

[vladimir998]

Thank you! If you can’t find it, that’s alright.

[miss marmelstein]

I’ve sent out feelers among my medieval history friends for a good link. I have the lengthy prayer in my possession (medieval Catholics loved long prayers and Masses!) but here is a touching section of it written by his personal confessor, John Roby, who I believe died at Bosworth as well. The prayer was NOT written at Bosworth or for Bosworth (although undoubtedly prayed by the King at that time) but when the King had lost his wife and child within a very short interval. It is very good for suffering souls:

“Lord Jesus Christ, deign to free my, your servant King Richard, from every tribulation, sorrow and trouble in which I am placed - hear me, in the name of all your goodness, for which I give thanks, and for all the gifts granted to me, because you made me from nothing and redeemed me out of your bounteous love and pity from eternal damnation to promising eternal life.”

It is written in English (the language he preferred) although he spoke and wrote Latin. Portions of the prayer are typical medieval “boilerplate” but this is the most famous sequence of it.

I hope to get the entire thing to you. From an historical viewpoint, it is quite interesting.

[Agamemnon]

This is a question: “What will the Bibles place be in Heaven?”

Did you happen to notice that Tax-chick did not ask that question?

Oops. Didn't read it closely enough, did you.

Vlad's argument fails, catastrophically.

Checkmate.

Have an nice life.

[vladimir998]

“Did you happen to notice that Tax-chick did not ask that question?”

Yes, as I noted: “Your failure then was to someone else.”

“Vlad’s argument fails, catastrophically.”

Nope. My argument was irrefutable. You keep proving it.