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Is Mary not a Virgin? The German Bishops’ New Bible Translation Leaves it... Unclear
LifeSite News ^ | 9/21/16 | Jan Bentz

Posted on 09/22/2016 7:57:02 PM PDT by marshmallow

GERMANY, September 21, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) — The German Bishops have presented a new “Unified Translation” of the Bible that follows a significant modernization of the language and will be binding for all German-speaking areas starting in 2017.

On Tuesday, the German Bishops Conference (DBK) presented in Fulda the fruit of many years of scientific work: a new edition of the so-called “Unified Translation" (Einheitsübersetzung) of the Bible into German. It’s called “unified” because, from the original published from 1962 onward, these editions are supposed to be used ecumenically, unifying Catholics and Protestants in Germany. The original aim, however, was thwarted in 2005 when Protestants reverted to the Luther translation.

The leader of the research project was the bishop (now emeritus) of Erfurt, Joachim Wanke, who explained that the new edition is a “moderate revision” of the older text. Wanke added that a translation is always also an interpretation. The new edition shows more “braveness” to present “biblical jargon,” he said, reported by kath.net.

According to Jewish tradition, the personal names of God cannot be pronounced, so “Yahweh” is substituted by “Lord” in the new edition. In fact, every paragraph has a change, explained Michael Theobald, president of the German Bible Association.

When the apostle Paul calls two new followers, they are not two men anymore, Andronicus and Junias; rather, a new discovery showed that apparently it was one man and one woman, hence Andronicus and Junia. This led to the discussion that the word “apostle” must be applied to women as well as men (Author’s note: In German, different genders of the word exist and usually gender-ideologists insist on using male and female forms).

Other changes are more ideological.

Most frightening is the change to the iconic Isaiah passage (7:14): “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son”.....

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Theology
KEYWORDS: apostles; christ; christianity; feminism; jesus; mary; politicalcorrectness; religion; revisionism; theology; virginbirth; waronchrist
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To: ebb tide; ealgeone
You are so amusing. You claim you belong to no church, nor denomination, and you cherry-pick the “bible” of your choosing. Context appears to be adverse to you

And here you are, doing the very thing you are condemning.

201 posted on 09/24/2016 5:57:48 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

If this were baseball he’d be 0-3. He’d be out.


202 posted on 09/24/2016 5:59:09 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide; boatbums
Peter means “rock”

Peter means *pebble* and is the feminine form of the word.

*Petra* means *bedrock* and is the masculine form of the word.

Here Paul identifies who petra is,and that is Christ. This link takes you to the Greek.

http://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/10-4.htm

1 Corinthians 10:1-4 For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock (petra) that followed them, and the Rock (petra) was Christ.

http://biblehub.com/text/romans/9-33.htm

Romans 9:30-33 What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, as it is written,“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock (petra) of offense; and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”

http://biblehub.com/text/1_peter/2-8.htm

1 Peter 2:1-8 So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation— if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good.

As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”

So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,

“The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”

and

“A stone of stumbling, and a rock (petra) of offense.

They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.

All occurrences of *petra* in the Greek.

http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_4073.htm

203 posted on 09/24/2016 6:02:12 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ealgeone; ebb tide

The IH is strong with this one ...


204 posted on 09/24/2016 6:20:22 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: ebb tide

The Catholic Bible has a few ‘selective’ renderings of words, such that the DR is not in agreement with so many translations. But that will escape your understanding. The Catholic Bible starts early changing meanings to fit the traditions, like the passage in Genesis regarding ‘someone bruising someone’s heal’. But don’t fall into a tizzy, the Mormons do the same stuff using their Book of Mormon.


205 posted on 09/24/2016 6:29:18 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: MHGinTN
The sad part is the catholic encyclopedia online admits the rendering of the passage in Genesis is not reliable. Yet the catholic ignores it and plows right ahead.

Regarding the immaculate conception:

No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture. But the first scriptural passage which contains the promise of the redemption, mentions also the Mother of the Redeemer. The sentence against the first parents was accompanied by the Earliest Gospel ( Proto-evangelium ), which put enmity between the serpent and the woman : "and I will put enmity between thee and the woman and her seed; she (he) shall crush thy head and thou shalt lie in wait for her (his) heel" ( Genesis 3:15 ).

The translation "she" of the Vulgate is interpretative; it originated after the fourth century, and

cannot be defended critically.

Of the major translations on the DR renders this passage this way.

The catholic encyclopedia admits it cannot be defended yet they continue with it.

Bad translation = bad theology

206 posted on 09/24/2016 6:51:23 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

And that is one of several variant markers ...


207 posted on 09/24/2016 9:12:18 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: ebb tide
Cephas/Kephas means rock in Aramaic. The Messiah named Simon (Simeon) Kephas for a reason ...
208 posted on 09/24/2016 11:31:33 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

So you prefer to ignore the rest of the Bible passages which point to Christ as The Rock. Would Augustine approve? LOL


209 posted on 09/24/2016 11:48:44 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

The Messiah, who is The Rock in the scriptures, named him Kephas. It seems to me that was divine will not subject to our approval or interpretation. He gave Kephas the keys of the kingdom of heaven and the authority to bind and loose on earth. It is truth. I have posted many times the scripture that shows the one holy catholic apostolic church is built on the foundation of Kephas, the other apostles, and the prophets with Messiah Himself being the chief cornerstone. It is all true.


210 posted on 09/24/2016 12:02:01 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

Do you even know what the APOSTLE’s stated were the requirements to be an actual Apostle?


211 posted on 09/24/2016 12:27:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: af_vet_1981; MHGinTN
I have posted many times the scripture that shows the one holy catholic apostolic church is built on the foundation of Kephas, the other apostles, and the prophets with Messiah Himself being the chief cornerstone.

Yet the ECFs, who catholicism places so much trust in differ in their view on this verse and what it means.

Some say Peter, some say his confession, others Christ.

So which one do you like this week for this topic?

212 posted on 09/24/2016 1:06:25 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: metmom

Thank you!


213 posted on 09/24/2016 1:08:51 PM PDT by The Mayor (Honesty means never having to look over your shoulder.)
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To: MHGinTN
Do you even know what the APOSTLE’s stated were the requirements to be an actual Apostle?

Yes; do you agree that the Apostle Matthias was a legitimate apostle selected by the Apostle Peter, the other eligible apostles and the Holy Spirit to replace Judas Iscariot ?
214 posted on 09/24/2016 1:53:00 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: ealgeone
Yet the ECFs, who catholicism places so much trust in differ in their view on this verse and what it means.

Some say Peter, some say his confession, others Christ.

So which one do you like this week for this topic?


    Catholics believe both views are true, at the same time.

  1. The Good News: God has sent his Son

    422 'But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.'1 This is 'the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God':'2 God has visited his people. He has fulfilled the promise he made to Abraham and his descendants. He acted far beyond all expectation - he has sent his own 'beloved Son'.3

    423 We believe and confess that Jesus of Nazareth, born a Jew of a daughter of Israel at Bethlehem at the time of King Herod the Great and the emperor Caesar Augustus, a carpenter by trade, who died crucified in Jerusalem under the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of the emperor Tiberius, is the eternal Son of God made man. He 'came from God',4 'descended from heaven',5 and 'came in the flesh'.6 For 'the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father. . . And from his fullness have we all received, grace upon grace.'7

    424 Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'8 On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church.9


  2. "The keys of the kingdom"

    551 From the beginning of his public life Jesus chose certain men, twelve in number, to be with him and to participate in his mission.280 He gives the Twelve a share in his authority and 'sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal."281 They remain associated for ever with Christ's kingdom, for through them he directs the Church:

    As my Father appointed a kingdom for me, so do I appoint for you that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.282 552 Simon Peter holds the first place in the college of the Twelve;283 Jesus entrusted a unique mission to him. Through a revelation from the Father, Peter had confessed: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Our Lord then declared to him: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it."284 Christ, the "living Stone",285 thus assures his Church, built on Peter, of victory over the powers of death. Because of the faith he confessed Peter will remain the unshakable rock of the Church. His mission will be to keep this faith from every lapse and to strengthen his brothers in it.286

    553 Jesus entrusted a specific authority to Peter: "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."287 The "power of the keys" designates authority to govern the house of God, which is the Church. Jesus, the Good Shepherd, confirmed this mandate after his Resurrection: "Feed my sheep."288 The power to "bind and loose" connotes the authority to absolve sins, to pronounce doctrinal judgements, and to make disciplinary decisions in the Church. Jesus entrusted this authority to the Church through the ministry of the apostles289 and in particular through the ministry of Peter, the only one to whom he specifically entrusted the keys of the kingdom.


215 posted on 09/24/2016 3:16:19 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981; MHGinTN; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; boatbums; CynicalBear; daniel1212; dragonblustar; ...
Yes; do you agree that the Apostle Matthias was a legitimate apostle selected by the Apostle Peter, the other eligible apostles and the Holy Spirit to replace Judas Iscariot ?

Not necessarily.....

And you know why?

The Day of Pentecost had not yet come so the church leaders were not yet filled with the Holy Spirit for guidance in church matters. And there is no mention of them seeking the Holy Spirit's leading in putting forth the two men.

Additionally, if you present God with two choices and draw lots, ONE of them is going to be *chosen* regardless if God wants either of those men or not.

So they think they're asking God who He wants, and He's probably saying *Neither* knowing that He was working on Saul of Tarsus. But how is He going to get that message across if Peter takes it on himself to offer God two choices and they draw lots, which doesn't give God any choice at all.

Because ONE of them is going to be "chosen" whether God is in it or not.

216 posted on 09/24/2016 3:22:37 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide

Repeat it as much as you like, it still wont be true. Your religion has made up many things and called them articles of the Christian faith - threatening damnation to ALL Christians who DARE question them. You want a list?

I can show you everything I believe because they are found in God’s word. I don’t have to make up a thing.


217 posted on 09/24/2016 3:40:27 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: af_vet_1981

Yet some ECFs reject the claim the rcc makes. Some who reject this support other parts of the rcc doctrine. You can’t have it both ways.


218 posted on 09/24/2016 3:50:42 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: metmom

Ooops.

Mistake here. I had the masculine and feminine forms confused. It should have read.......

*Peter* means *pebble* and is the masculine form of the word.

*Petra* means *bedrock* and is the feminine form of the word.


219 posted on 09/24/2016 4:09:42 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ealgeone
Yet some ECFs reject the claim the rcc makes. Some who reject this support other parts of the rcc doctrine. You can’t have it both ways.

Apply that principle to Protestant claims; since Protestants do not agree they cannot be correct in abandoning the one holy catholic apostolic church. It was a tragic historic mistake.

220 posted on 09/24/2016 4:17:25 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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