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The Surprising Reason Why More Americans Are Not Going To Church
The Atlantic via msn ^ | 08-2016

Posted on 08/28/2016 2:41:41 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: Salvation

Protestantism taught me I do NOT need a priest or pastor as an intermediary for my relationship with God.

I eventually found more spirituality in the Rooms of Bill Wilson’s followers.

And there it remains.


181 posted on 08/28/2016 9:05:13 PM PDT by truth_seeker (#NeverHillary)
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To: BipolarBob

So, we agree that there is a change in the ceremonial law. And Paul admonishes us not to dispute matter such a Sabbath days.

So, the Christian church observes a one-in-seven day of rest. You have not shown a compelling reason why it must be Saturday, since we have shown that ceremony can be altered without violating God’s Law.


182 posted on 08/28/2016 9:07:43 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: kosciusko51
You sound confused. Your reasoning falls short. The Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments. Don't believe me? Go back and read Exodus 20. There it is!
The Ten Commandments were placed in the ark. (Deut 10:5)
It was called the Law of God (Ps 1:2, Ps 119::1)
Lasts forever (Ps 111:7,8)
A perfect Law ((Ps. 19:7)
Points out sin (1 John 3:4)
Not abolished by Jesus (Matt 5:17)
Faith establishes this Law (Rom 3:31).
183 posted on 08/28/2016 9:19:15 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Our security has been hacked, media and politicians bought off and we're being brainwashed.)
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To: kosciusko51
we agree that there is a change in the ceremonial law.

The ceremonial laws were abolished at the cross.(Col 2:14). I hope that clears things up. I'm going to bed now.

184 posted on 08/28/2016 9:22:09 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Our security has been hacked, media and politicians bought off and we're being brainwashed.)
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To: BipolarBob

The one-in-seven, sure. The ceremonial observance was historically changed to honor Christ’s resurrection from the grave, and the establishment of the Christian church.

I should have followed Paul’s admonishment not to dispute the Sabbath days. I will not do it any more, and leave you to the last words.

SDG,
K51


185 posted on 08/28/2016 9:25:48 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thank you and I do like it
Informal relationships with the many and different Disciples has pleased me over the years and I do not feel unfulfilled, I have been asked to join and I understand what that unity means to those that ask and how they want to share that unity with me.
I never can explain why I won’t choose one... best I can say is I see every Denomination as good, I am not a judge, I enjoy them all and belonging to just one Church and excluding others would not feel right. It may go back to the years of Military Services I attended with my friends of many Denominations, we were just Christians.
“For as the body is one, and has many members; and all the members of the body, whereas they are many, yet are one body, so also is Christ”

Again Thank you ...


186 posted on 08/29/2016 1:16:06 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: soycd
"Something as personal as Faith needs no public gathering."

Not biblical:

Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

187 posted on 08/29/2016 3:30:48 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: ADSUM; metmom; imardmd1; daniel1212; Iscool; Salvation; Elsie; mdmathis6; boatbums; Mark17; ...
You informed, "Catholics believe that Christ founded a visible Church—which subsists in the Catholic Church—and has protected its doctrines from error." Perhaps the very root of the difference in the religion known as catholiciism, and real Christianity.

The CHURCH (*Ekklesia) Jesus is building is not a 'visible' church, it is a spiritual church, a Body of those who believe in Jesus as The One God sent for our salvation. Here is what JESUS said about spirit:

6 What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Don’t be astonished that I told you, ‘All of you must be born from above.’ 8 The wind blows where it wants to. You hear its sound, but you don’t know where it comes from or where it is going. That’s the way it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”John 3

And here is what JESUS said of spiritual birth (not an institutional thing like catholiciism):

3 Jesus replied to him, “Truly, I tell you emphatically, unless a person is born from above he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 Nicodemus asked him, “How can a person be born when he is old? He can’t go back into his mother’s womb a second time and be born, can he?”
5 Jesus answered, “Truly, I tell you emphatically, unless a person is born of water and Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Don’t be astonished that I told you, ‘All of you must be born from above.’

As to WHO is protecting from error, catholiciism is racked with blasphemous rituals, yet we have the Word of God in the Bible, so we may rightly concluded that it is GOD Who protects from error ... and yet the Catholic Bible, the Douey-Reims Bible, has changes made to the Word of GOD in their institutional attempt to give foundation to their heresies -- like the change in Genesis which has been brought to your attention on more than one occasion.

188 posted on 08/29/2016 4:59:15 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: Salvation

Sounds like this ‘survey’ has something for everyone in it!


189 posted on 08/29/2016 5:30:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger; Salvation; Jim Robinson; glock rocks; colorcountry

Best Church ever. God is good!


190 posted on 08/29/2016 5:32:15 AM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: Mr Rogers
“For under the Law I “died”, and now I am dead to the Law’s demands so that I may live for God....The death of Christ on the cross had made you “dead” to the claims of the Law, and you are free to give yourselves in marriage, so to speak, to another, the one who was raised from the dead, that you may be productive for God....” - Apostle Paul

Book, chapter, verse??

191 posted on 08/29/2016 5:33:10 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Salvation

Where I’ve attended since ‘81, I got to less services.

We used to have midweek services as well as Sunday evening ones.

Both are gone.

As our youth grew up and moved away from the area, they go either elsewhere or not at all, and the demographics of the neighborhood has shifted..

However, our church has MORE services than ever before!

“How does THIS work?”, you ask?

Well; we have THREE congregations using the same physical buildings: a mostly black congregation has worship and praise times 1/2 hour after the original, mostly white congregation has finished on Sunday morning.

There is also a smaller, mostly Hispanic group that meets in the fellowship hall as well.

It’s been an interesting 5 years now!

The Word is being preached and is getting out!


192 posted on 08/29/2016 5:38:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
As to WHO is protecting from error, catholiciism is racked with blasphemous rituals, yet we have the Word of God in the Bible, so we may rightly concluded that it is GOD Who protects from error ... and yet the Catholic Bible, the Douey-Reims Bible, has changes made to the Word of GOD in their institutional attempt to give foundation to their heresies -- like the change in Genesis which has been brought to your attention on more than one occasion.

Since the Bible, the revealed word of God, is Truth, it contains no error and because it does not change, it doesn't need to be promised to be protected from error. Cause it's TRUTH.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.

The claim that Jesus promised to protect the Catholic church from error in doctrine or the pope from error when speaking about faith and morals, is a vain bid to try to force people to accept whatever it says, even if it contradicts Scripture or itself from previous pronouncements.

They knew that everything didn't always fit and to claim that their sacred tradition was on par with the God breathed, Holy Spirit inspired Scripture, they had to come up with something to snow the masses. Stuff like the concept *doctrinal development*, for example, aside from the previous claims. (Which was a great move on Newman's part as it gave lots of Catholics an easy out for something that could not be rationalized away)

God NEVER promised one church in all of Scripture that it was free from error. On the contrary, a casual reading of Scripture, just the book of Acts even, shows that error was creeping in from almost the very beginning.

By the 15th chapter of Acts, they were already having the Council at Jerusalem to deal with error creeping into the church.

If more churches stuck to the word itself, there wouldn't be a problem with error. It's the ones which have stopped believing that the Bible is the word of God and is enough which have fallen into error the fastest.

Once a church started teaching that any part of it is fairy tales or didn't really happen, it was just allegory, the descent has begun.

193 posted on 08/29/2016 5:38:32 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: BenLurkin

Psalm 14:1 New International Version

For the director of music. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.


194 posted on 08/29/2016 5:39:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ouderkirk

Don’t forget the psychologists.


195 posted on 08/29/2016 5:39:40 AM PDT by aspasia
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To: BenLurkin
... there is no one who does good.


Well...





Are you still killing your unborn?

-- GOD


We ARE still a Nation of Laws....
 
 
 

196 posted on 08/29/2016 5:40:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dp0622
I would bet there are questions some Christians (Catholic in my case) here would love to ask on FR to strengthen their faith, but the question would come off as sounding doubtful or non Christian and we would be destroyed.

You are letting your DOUBT rule you.

197 posted on 08/29/2016 5:42:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dp0622
Would be nice if we could ask them openly. The answer would likely reinforce our faith.

Well; what's it to be?

Destroyed or Reinforced?

198 posted on 08/29/2016 5:42:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

No kidding? It would take Darth Vader 6 minutes to convert me to the dark side.

Glad he’s not around!!

In the end it’s all about faith.


199 posted on 08/29/2016 5:43:59 AM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: tellw
I like the music, that’s it.

How about the words?

200 posted on 08/29/2016 5:43:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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