Monsignor Pope’s OSV column Ping!
Guess that means the fake Pope is in trouble
Another Good one Msgr. Charles Pope, and as you very well know impeccable timing...
God Bless.
Given it’s St Bernard’s feast day, might want to consider that St Vincent apparently has a different take:
‘Saint Vincent Ferrer relates that an archdeacon in Lyons gave up his charge and retreated into a desert place to do penance, and that he died the same day and hour as Saint Bernard. After his death, he appeared to his bishop and said to him, “Know, Monsignor, that at the very hour I passed away, thirty-three thousand people also died. Out of this number, Bernard and myself went up to heaven without delay, three went to purgatory, and all the others fell into Hell.’
The following quotations from the Church Fathers give the straight story. They show that the early Church held the same position on this as the contemporary Church does—that is, while it is normatively necessary to be a Catholic to be saved (see CCC 846; Vatican II, Lumen Gentium 14), there are exceptions, and it is possible in some circumstances for people to be saved who have not been fully initiated into the Catholic Church (CCC 847).
An article from Catholic Answers:
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/assurance-of-salvation
I am a non Catholic Christian.
This fool of an author is saying a ‘beating’ awaits me because I don’t agree with him and, I might add, his buffoon of a Pope.
And I’m not sure if this thread is supposed to be non argumentative but that’s flat out nuts when the premise of the article is that many of the wonderful, Christian folks right here at Free Republic are headed for a beating because we don’t agree with a religion whose tenets ultimately has led them to have a leader who equates Allah and God.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/assurance-of-salvation
Assurance of Salvation?
The same is true of us. We can, if our lives display a pattern of perseverance and spiritual fruit, have not only a confidence in our present state of grace but also of our future perseverance with God. Yet we cannot have an infallible certitude of our own salvation, as many Protestants will admit. There is the possibility of self-deception (cf. Matt. 7:22-23). As Jeremiah expressed it, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt; who can understand it?” (Jer. 17:9). There is also the possibility of falling from grace through mortal sin, and even of falling away from the faith entirely, for as Jesus told us, there are those who “believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away” (Luke 8:13). It is in the light of these warnings and admonitions that we must understand Scripture’s positive statements concerning our ability to know and have confidence in our salvation. Assurance we may have; infallible certitude we may not.
For example, Philippians 2:12 says, “Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” This is not the language of self-confident assurance. Our salvation is something that remains to be worked out.
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19“This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20“For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21“But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.” John 3:16-21 NASB
36“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:36 NASB
1“Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2“In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3“If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. 4“And you know the way where I am going.” 5Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?” 6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me." John 14:1-6
The Msgr is promoting a false doctrine. If what he says is true then the Hindu who earnestly seeks after God is "saved". As would be the Mormon. As would be the Muslim. As would be the Buddhist, etc.
No. As the Gospel writer above has clearly indicated it is only through faith in Christ that one gains Heaven.
The Greek behind John 14:6 makes His words emphatic. In essence Jesus is saying compare Me to any other way you think you can get to Heaven. I alone am it.
The NT is clear on this. There is no other way.
Is it your desire to provoke the ire of faithful born-again Christians? Or have you been promised a plenary indulgence for these postings?
I could easily come up with something new every single day to criticize Rome or stir up a theological debate with Catholics. Even though I am sure it would be fun and some would benefit, I have other responsibilities and I don’t like stirring everyone up ad nauseam. Plus, I have exhausted a considerable part of a normal three-score and ten already. I believe I can serve the Lord in more profitable ways with whatever remaining time He allows.
I’d love to know how many people actually read your long caucus stuff—you know the ones with color pictures of an unbiblical feminized Jesus or pictures of Jesus as a little baby or pictures of the Queen of Heaven idol or pictures of idols with swords.
In the Old Testament, God taught the Israelites how they were to worship him. A sacrifice was an integral part of the worship service
In the New Testament, people-Israelites and non Israelites, continued to worship God, as he taught them in the Old Testament. However, the sacrifice offered, was on the part of God and his son Jesus Christ. J
Jesus Christ is the sacrificial lamb. Jesus Christ was sacrificed for us and our salvation. Then why do people not see the need to worship God in the way that he taught people in the beginning. God loves everyone and does want everyone to know him, but yet more and more people believe that they have no responsibility in their relationship with God, other than to believe that they were saved and have to do nothing else.
There is a reason why the 7 sacraments still exist and are still used to allow for God, The Father, and The Holy Spirit to spread his Holy Grace ins us and through us. We are impure beings and God does demand that we be sure before we can live with him. This is where some question the salvation of non-Catholics.
Seeing into the hearts of those inside the Church, the Lord will judge them by their knowledge, deeds
What?
Nothing about FAITH??
Do you lack discretion when you post Pope’s articles that intentionally provoke the non-Catholic Christians here? Is someone forcing you to post his daily musings? You complain about so-called “Catholic bashing” all the time yet seem to have no qualms at all about posting threads that are negative and directly aimed at those who ARE Christians but do not identify as Catholics. You need to explain how this is not blatant hypocrisy, Sal.
Contextually speaking, what the author is saying is complete nonsense...
Cleanse your own house before setting yourselves up as judges of others. Start with the Gay Mafia that infests Vatican City.
This replaces works as evidence of the faith which is counted for righteousness, with works being the cause of salvation, which is what the very of Romans which the unscriptural priest invokes, condemns.
The Lord will indeed"render to every man according to his deeds" (Romans 2:6) for He rewards true faith (Heb. 10;35) which effects obedience, (Jn. 10:27; Heb. 6:9) but works are not the cause of justification. For while "not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified," (Romans 2:13) since such are true believers, yet "we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." (Romans 3:27-28)
For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. (Romans 4:2-5)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)
I noticed that it was you who began this thread by ringing the doorbell and then poking the hornets’ nest at your non-Catholic FReeper neighbor’s front door. Then you pretty much ran far away while we were being stung.
Is that normal and usual Roman Catholic behavior and may we expect more of the same on FR’s Religion Forum?
Judging non-Catholics Seeing into the hearts of those outside the Church, the Lord will judge them by their knowledge, deeds
Msgr. Charles Pope Catholic, August 28, 2016
8/17/2016
Question: How will God judge non-Catholics at the time of their death? — William Bandle, Manchester, Missouri
Answer: Scripture says, “God does not see as a mortal ... The Lord looks into the heart” (1 Sam 16:7). Thus, God, who knows our hearts, will judge us based on what is there. Not all have had the same opportunity to come to know the Lord, his Church and the help of the sacraments. God is just; he knows this and will judge accordingly.
Jesus says, “That servant who knew his master’s will but did not make preparations or act in accord with his will shall be beaten severely and the servant who was ignorant of his master’s will but acted in a way deserving of a severe beating, shall be beaten only lightly” (Lk 12:47-48).
In terms of non-Catholics who lacked some knowledge or sacraments of the Church, God will look into their hearts and judge them based on what they reasonably could have known and their actions based on that.
Therefore, to say that God looks into the heart does not mean that he merely looks to a person’s feelings or disposition. Rather, as Scripture says, we will be judged by our deeds (see Rom 2:6-11). Did our actions correspond to what we knew was expected of us or not?
wow, almost 500 posts...
Catholic obsession with good deeds is one of our differences and has led at times to progressive quasi Catholics I see and hear
In my life of almost 60 year old southerner who lived in New Yawk 8 years and Latino Catholic nations
I found Catholics more socially moderate to liberal than my own peers and more likely to leave or ignore their faith
Personally I think Catholics have been watered down
This is something I noticed all my life
My mom who was half Catholic at birth always explained they have confessional.....we don’t
In any event .....the most conservative devout Catholics I’ve ever known have been here on free republic
Not in my real world experience
My upbringing religious creed was more about obedience than good works once one had accepted Christ as his savior
Non of this Jewish style leave the world in a better place that some Catholics adopted I guess who knows when
We were taught Christian charity like Samaritans purse but were taught a life for Christ was more about the hereafter and like I said....in laymans terms .....obedience
Not near the focus on good deeds
Yet another striking divergence....for what it’s worth
I applaud muscular Catholicism....,they kept Islam at bay and preserved traditions and knowledge and history....hat tip for that