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Footsteps of the Messiah (video)
Calvary Chapel Ce ^ | 04-08-15 | John Hessler

Posted on 07/25/2016 9:30:46 PM PDT by Lera

Footsteps of the Messiah , video at link


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian
KEYWORDS: calvarychapel; messiah; scriptures
John Hessler looks through scripture at the Messianic passages from the Old Testament

How do you know what you believe ?

1 posted on 07/25/2016 9:30:46 PM PDT by Lera
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To: Lera; jbb247; monkeywrench; PROCON; Bulldaddy; Mrs.Z; Aragon; RobinOfKingston; Mom MD; ...

Pinging the End Times Ping List and the Calvary Chapel ping list

John Hessler of Calvary Chapel Central Bucks reviews the Messianic scriptures in the Old Testament asking Do you know what you believe and why you believe it ?

It’s an old video but a total blessing

Genesis 5 geneology from Adam to Noah

name meanings

Adam= man
Seth = appointed
Enos = mortal
Cainan= sorrow
Mahalaleel= the blessed God
Jared = shall come down
Enoch = teaching
Methusala= his death shall bringing
Lamech= desparing
Noah= rest

Gospel message written over 1600 years in the naming of their children hidden in plain sight in Genesis 5

(Psalms 2:1) Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

(Psalms 2:2) The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

(Psalms 2:3) Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

(Psalms 2:4) He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

(Psalms 2:5) Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

(Psalms 2:6) Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

(Psalms 2:7) I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

(Psalms 2:8) Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

(Psalms 2:9) Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.

(Psalms 2:10) Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

(Psalms 2:11) Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

(Psalms 2:12) Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

(Proverbs 30:4) Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?


2 posted on 07/25/2016 9:39:01 PM PDT by Lera ( 1 Corinthians 15:1-4)
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To: Lera

Thanks. I’ll find time to listen tomorrow.


3 posted on 07/25/2016 9:56:58 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Lera

Thanks for the link

http://www.thereishopeinjesus.com/


4 posted on 07/25/2016 9:59:31 PM PDT by Maudeen (Sinner Saved by Grace)
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To: Lera

That was interesting. I am trying to figure out why despairing rest. No hope for rest? just wondering.


5 posted on 07/25/2016 11:11:39 PM PDT by make no mistake
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To: make no mistake

Man is appointed mortal sorrow
The blessed God shall come down
Teaching his death shall bring the despairing comfort

It is despairing to know you are fallen and separated from God. It is quite a comfort to know that Jesus died to pay for all your sins .


6 posted on 07/25/2016 11:22:32 PM PDT by Lera ( 1 Corinthians 15:1-4)
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To: Lera

Thanks, now I get it. despairing then rest, not despairing rest.


7 posted on 07/26/2016 12:37:10 AM PDT by make no mistake
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To: make no mistake

[[Thanks, now I get it. despairing then rest, not despairing rest. ]]

Yep , huge difference :)


8 posted on 07/26/2016 2:52:14 AM PDT by Lera ( 1 Corinthians 15:1-4)
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To: make no mistake

Or bring TO the despairing, rest.


9 posted on 07/26/2016 8:11:19 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Lera

Very good! Thank you, Lera


10 posted on 07/26/2016 8:18:45 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: MHGinTN

[[Or bring TO the despairing, rest.]]

That “to” and the “comma” gets the point across

:)


11 posted on 07/26/2016 8:48:33 AM PDT by Lera ( 1 Corinthians 15:1-4)
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To: Lera

I heard the name interpretations about a month ago while listening to Trey Smith. Fascinating.


12 posted on 07/26/2016 4:21:25 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Lera

Fantastic stuff

Thank you very much sister

Calvary Chapel has the most incredible teachings on the scriptures that I know of . (:


13 posted on 07/26/2016 6:21:41 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade ( America's Party! Tom Hoefling/Steve Schulin 2016)
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To: Lera; amorphous
This "teacher" is more than sloppy. How many years has he been teaching? Sloppy work goes to the burn pile.

Sounds like one of those guys who will nonetheless show up at the King's palace, expertise and five-star reviews in hand, expecting to be hired to build the Temple. All the prestige, after all!

What would the King say? A: "Who are you? You never worked for me."

Anybody bother to check what these folks blather on about? Few. The evidence is that these so-called teachers have great followings.

Go in at 1:00:00. He talks about the prophecies in Zechariah re: "The Branch." Then he continues to explain that this "branch" is in the Hebrew "netzer". WRONG. It's >tzemach<. He then takes this blatant error and moves on to Matthew 2. He's talking about this "netzer". Did he just slip up and refer to the wrong passage about a "netzer"? Maybe, but he just kept going with it.

Whatever, because,

He then shares his expert knowledge about the etymology of netzer (Impressive! /s), but the doctrinal chain breaks at the weakest link. Where is that? The plain text of Matthew 2. WHO is the one who the prophets called a Nazarene (nazir)? He even admits that there's no prophecy about the Messiah being called a Nazarene, thus goes on that's it's really this word play blah blah blah...

Do these guys even read the plain text? Do their followers? Well if they did, they'd see that the antecedent to *he* [shall be called a Nazarene] is JOSEPH. On down the line, the text is all about what JOSEPH is doing.

Matthew 2:19-23

19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
20 Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.
21 And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel.
22 But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee:
23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled [completed] which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.

Just as Matthew said, the prophets said JOSEPH would be called a Nazarene (nazir).

3480 Nazoraios {nad-zo-rah'-yos}
from 3478; TDNT - 4:874,625; n pr m
AV - of Nazareth 13, Nazarene 2; 15
Nazarite = "one separated"

Jacob and Moses:

Genesis 49:26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate [5139] from his brethren.

Deuteronomy 33:16 And for the precious things of the earth and fulness thereof, and for the good will of him that dwelt in the bush: let the blessing come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the top of the head of him that was separated [5139] from his brethren.

05139 naziyr {naw-zeer'} or nazir {naw-zeer'}
from 05144; TWOT - 1340b; n m
AV - Nazarite 12, undressed 2, separate 2; 16

1) consecrated or devoted one, Nazarite
1a) consecrated one
1b) devotee, Nazarite
1c) untrimmed (vine)

Dreams, Joseph, Egypt, coming up out of Egypt, separated... no clues there? At all?

There's the real word play. Just as was stated much earlier in the narrative,

Joseph was a PARABLE over all of Egypt.

MASHAL: governor, parable

...they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Same scholars, different day. Vengeance is the Lord's, because he is the master of "return on investment". Oh Haman, just look at those gallows over there, how convenient... you worked so hard to make them. Thanks!

Who is this MASHAL indeed.

PUN

noun: pun; plural noun: puns

  1. 1. a joke exploiting the different possible meanings of a word or the fact that there are words that sound alike but have different meanings.

He laughs. After all, in *Isaac* shall Abraham's seed be called.

14 posted on 07/26/2016 7:57:39 PM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Ezekiel

Of course nothing he says is correct. He is a Christian using Jewish texts to “prove” something no Jew ever believed and something the Torah doesn’t say!

He can’t read or write the language, hasn’t studied for years under a competent rabbi, doesn’t know Oral Law, hasn’t studied any of a dozen secondary works and hasn’t spent time with others who HAVE, to learn from them!

How could he know?

If Christians just imagined for ten seconds what it would be like for an imam who couldn’t read a word of English telling them about Jesus, they would get a small sense of the absurdity.

He’s probably a nice guy, husband, and father. His ‘classes’ make people feel good and he gets positive feedback. That’s about it.

Now for a proper translation and Rashi, who just might know more than this guy:

6:12 And you shall speak to him, saying, “So said the Lord of Hosts, saying: Behold a man whose name is the ******** Shoot ********, who will spring up out of his place and build the Temple of the Lord.

Rashi

“whose name is the Shoot”:
He is Zerubbabel, mentioned above (3:8): “Behold, I bring My servant, the Shoot,” since his greatness burgeoned little by little. Some interpret this as referring to the King Messiah, but the entire context deals with the [time of the] Second Temple.

“who will spring up out of his place”: From royal descent.


15 posted on 07/27/2016 8:05:02 PM PDT by Mr. M.J.B.
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To: Mr. M.J.B.
Thanks much. It's not even that these guys don't know, but that they go ahead and *teach anyway*. They cash the checks and then they excuse their ignorance, error, and slipshod work by saying "good scholars disagree".

There's a vast difference between alternate perspectives of the same material, and incompatible, contrary "facts". Lenses of different magnifications see the same object, so they can't by nature *disagree* with one another. But that's not what these guys are doing/seeing. They make stuff up and then claim that the disagreements [with truth] are all good.

When their teachings [by nature!] confuse the students, the students are trained to think they are too dumb, so they must then buy more books and videos, attend more prophecy conferences, and so on. Hmmm..

That all said, good chance I am going to appear grotesquely clueless myself in my following response to your comments. At this point I just don't care. Kind of like an Outcast ceases to be concerned with making friends or attracting positive feedback.

He can’t read or write the language, hasn’t studied for years under a competent rabbi, doesn’t know Oral Law, hasn’t studied any of a dozen secondary works and hasn’t spent time with others who HAVE, to learn from them!

The massive irony comes when this ends up as the description of King Messiah. How many people would laugh that off intuitively, and/or would be offended to the core? After all, that's the most ridiculous idea ever. Well, almost.

How could he know?

Right, how would he know how to DO anything without all that? He's the Torah scholar of Torah scholars, the very king of righteousness, surpassing all who came before. The greatest teachers will sit and learn at his feet.

So how on earth would he know? He *is* the Law, so he just does it. It's his nature, his business, his way of DOing things. The love, the compassion, the mercy, the whole bit. That's why he is the one. While everyone else is studying, writing, making YouTube videos, and posting comments on the internet, he's out there living the Torah with all his heart and soul and mind and spirit. At least my excuse for the excessive keyboard tapping - heh - is that I am putting out this absurd message for any takers. :)

All reduces to the simplest of concepts and the dumbest puns, where the Sod is the Pshat, and the parable is the literal meaning.

Rashi

“whose name is the Shoot”:
He is Zerubbabel, mentioned above (3:8): “Behold, I bring My servant, the Shoot,” since his greatness burgeoned little by little. Some interpret this as referring to the King Messiah, but the entire context deals with the [time of the] Second Temple.

“who will spring up out of his place”: From royal descent.

Why yes indeed. Zerubbabel = "sown in Babylon".

The flipped over story of flipped over stories, incoming. Purim x 1000.

Blessings to you and yours.

16 posted on 07/28/2016 10:31:56 AM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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