Posted on 07/04/2016 2:22:59 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
Henry DID finally get his son, but that son died early and a WOMAN ruled England. Henry was the big loser after all. A woman STILL "rules" England. Henry must still be rolling in his grave.
Divorced.
Beheaded.
Died.
Divorced.
Beheaded.
Survived.
The "Elizabeth Taylor" of the early 16th century. Although Liz wasn't queen...but she WAS ELIZABETH...Taylor.
A few coinkidinks here. :o)
Every religion has rusty pipes conveying water of teachings. The Catholic Church has all kinds of rusty pipes carrying the best doctrine on earth. Like what? Every person is immortal. Every child deserves a mother and father. Every students deserves the freedom to study the Bible. Thus, we have human rights, safe communities and K-12 schools. Please do not blame abortion, divorce, dangerous cities and boring schools on the Catholic Church. Blame them on the citizens failing to study the Church and one of its products: the Bible.
I wonder if many non-Catholics know that there WAS NO New Testament until almost 400 A.D. The CATHOLIC CHURCH was busy trying to get/gather it together, going through the THOUSANDS of documents, deciding WHICH were true and which weren't.
Protestants are now reading the words of God as put to pen by the then "infant" Catholic Church. The Church decided on what Protestants would eventually read...and then, oddly enough, those same Protestants would protest against the VERY Church that gave them the glorious New Testament for them to protest.
Please do not blame abortion, divorce, dangerous cities and boring schools on the Catholic Church. Blame them on the citizens failing to study the Church and one of its products: the Bible.
People ALWAYS need someone to BLAME when bad things happen. The Catholic Church has been the "whipping boy" for a long time. Nothing new there.
You NAILED it, though, when you spoke about NOT studying the Bible.
It is also true that SOME folks like to, er, "ignore" SOME passages of the Bible. ONE example is Jesus' words about divorce-remarriage:
Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate” (Matthew 19:6).
But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. (Matthew 5:32).
Henry VIII knew those verses as well but decided that Jesus' words weren't convenient to HIS plans.
Your comparison is like comparing apples and Vespas, no connection whatsoever.
The Pope is merely a vicar, which is a representative or deputy on earth for the Lord. The same position was STARTED by St. Peter.
One can visit St. Peter's Basilica in Rome and see the list of ALL the popes in the last 2000 years, with Peter's name at the top. They weren't all the best of popes, but our good Lord DID leave His Church in the hands of His "vicars."
And yes, the list IS engraved in granite.
For the commies, there IS NO God, so the question is moot.
Not bad.
“Protestants, however, were rarely tolerant of even other Protestants...”
Certainly different denominations expressed their differences, but the Church of England in the American colony was unbelievably tolerant of others. You have but witness the different religions allowed to practice their faith. Animosities? certainly! But they lived together.
Contrast the American colonist experience with Roman Catholic colonies where no other denominations were allowed under penalty of death.
One of those letters thanks France (specifically mentioning their Catholic faith) for their support during the war for independence. Without the assistance of France and Spain, the war may not have been won.
Bravo. Excellent insights. Excellent html skills. St. Jerome, pray for us.
Sure, we have had some real losers in Rome. However, the gift of the papacy is to be appreciated as a permanent gift from the Lord.
And traditional RCs are hardly tolerant of their liberal counterparts, while a historical contemporary RC with a more weightier opinion found:
Upon my arrival in the United States, the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention; and the longer I stayed there, the more did I perceive the great political consequences resulting from this state of things, to which I was unaccustomed. In France I had almost always seen the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom pursuing courses diametrically opposed to each other; but in America I found that they were intimately united, and that they reigned in common over the same country.
Alexis de Tocqueville (1805”1859. French Catholic political thinker and historian; best known for his two volume, "Democracy in America") ” The sects that exist in the United States are innumerable. They all differ in respect to the worship which is due to the Creator; but they all agree in respect to the duties which are due from man to man. Each sect adores the Deity in its own peculiar manner, but all sects preach the same moral law in the name of God...Moreover, all the sects of the United States are comprised within the great unity of Christianity, and Christian morality is everywhere the same...
n the United States the sovereign authority is religious, and consequently hypocrisy must be common; but there is no country in the whole world in which the Christian religion retains a greater influence over the souls of men than in America, and there can be no greater proof of its utility, and of its conformity to human nature, than that its influence is most powerfully felt over the most enlightened and free nation of the earth...
The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other; and with them this conviction does not spring from that barren traditionary faith which seems to vegetate in the soul rather than to live... Thus religious zeal is perpetually warmed in the United States by the fires of patriotism. These men do not act exclusively from a consideration of a future life; eternity is only one motive of their devotion to the cause. If you converse with these missionaries of Christian civilization, you will be surprised to hear them speak so often of the goods of this world, and to meet a politician where you expected to find a priest. (Democracy in America, [New York: A. S. Barnes & Co., 1851), pp. 331, 332, 335, 336-7, 337; http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/DETOC/religion/ch1_17.htm)
And another authority of more weight than thou also stated,
And the Divine Being seems to have manifested His approbation of the mutual forbearance and kindness by which the different sects treat each other, and by the remarkable prosperity with which He has been please to favor the whole country. (Benjamin Franklin, "Information to those who would Remove to America" In Franklin, Benjamin. The Bagatelles from Passy. Ed. Lopez, Claude A. New York: Eakins Press. 1967; http://mith.umd.edu//eada/html/display.php?docs=franklin_bagatelle4.xml. Also, John Gould Curtis, American history told by contemporaries .... Volume 3, p. 26)
That is a relatively new pipe, bought from Protestants.
You mean in contrast to historical RC "bigotry," which opposed the very concept of freedom of religion, and separation of church and state, and which was a prime reason for American "bigotry" against Catholicism. Indeed, if American Catholics were are medieval Catholics were supposed to be then they would not have obtained their freedom, as the fears of American patriots would have been realized.
• Pope Gregory XVI: It is insanity to believe that liberty of conscience and liberty of worship are the inalienable rights of every citizen. From this stinking fountain of Indifferentism flows the erroneous and absurd opinion, or rather derangement, that liberty of conscience must be asserted and vindicated for everyone. This most pestilential error opens the door to the complete and immoderate liberty of opinions which works such widespread harm both in Church and State. (Pope Gregory XVI, “Mirari Vos,” August 15,1832)
• Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors):
[It is error to believe that] Hence it has been wisely decided by law, in some Catholic countries, that persons coming to reside therein shall enjoy the public exercise of their own peculiar worship.” (Section X, Errors Having Reference to Modern Liberalism, #78. http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/P9SYLL.HTM)
• Pope Innocent III: The crucifiers of Christ ought to be held in continual subjection. (Pope Innocent III, “Epistle to the Hierarchy of France,” July 15, 1205)
• Canons of the Ecumenical Fourth Lateran Council, 1215:
• We furthermore forbid any lay person to engage in dispute, either private or public, concerning the Catholic Faith. Whosoever shall act contrary to this decree, let him be bound in the fetters of excommunication. — Pope Alexander IV (1254-1261) in “Sextus Decretalium”, Lib. V, c. ii: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/archive/index.php/t-51631.html
No protestant was ever ran out of Europe by Catholics. They were ran out by other protestants.
If not for Catholics, most notably Marquis de Lafayette, it is seriously doubtful the colonists could have defeated England, his contributions were immense.
Actually writings were Scripture regardless of lack of general acceptance, and it was the people in general who establish writings as being of God, while there was no indisputable canon for RCs until after the death of Luther, who was one of many scholars who doubted or rejected apocryphal books down thru as the centuries and right into Trent.
Regardless, what is import and argument behind your "we have you the Bible" statement? That if we agree with Rome in this then we should agree with all she officially teaches And that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that such (and those who claim to be their successors) possesses ensured veracity? Thus any who knowingly dissent from the latter must be in rebellion to God?
The Waldensians were run out of Italy in the late 1800’s. They settled here in NC. Italy finally granted full religious freedom to the few who remained in there in 1984.
$87 million a year to re-settle Muslim invaders.
About anything else, one can dissent all one wants.
1. and 2. Thank you.
3. AMEN!
4. So true. I guess I just don't care to read that kind of hatred deep dislike of our Pope from Catholic FReepers. One can only suppose that he hadn't read about some of the earlier Popes who "bought" the Papacy. THEY would make Pope Francis look like a shining star.
"Permanent gift from our Lord"...EXCELLENT.
I hadn't thought of the papacy that way, but it IS. Thank you for that!
I hope your July 4th was full of joy and hot dogs and family.
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I had THREE hot dogs today. Yummers!
France ran out the Huegenots (many came to North America); as a Catholic I’ll admit the religious wars went both ways.
240 years later and do they YET know any better?
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