10 Lies Christians Believe

Unsealed.org ^ | 5/17/16 | Gary

[amessenger4god]

These are some of the most common lies that many Christians have fallen victim to.  I hear many of these quite frequently and in years past have even fallen for some of them myself.  The enemy has used each of these lies to sow great discord, apathy, and fear in the Body of Christ.   It's time to dispel them all.

1. "I must do _____ to be saved or keep doing _____ to stay saved."

This is what virtually every religion teaches, but not true Christianity.   Unsurprisingly, every "Christian" cult teaches this as well.  The very definition of the Gospel dispels this lie (see 1 Corinthians 15:3-4).   Jesus paid in full for your sins of commission and your sins of omission.  It is not necessary that you do, but it is necessary that you trust.  The question is, do you accept His payment on your behalf and do you believe He rose again?

Consider John 6:28-29.

The carnal man asks, "what must I do?"

The Man from Heaven responds, "the work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

The Gospel is the revolutionary message of God's unmerited love and pardon.  It is the message of a loving God doing on your behalf.  Read more about this here.

And to those who think salvation is two parts grace to one part works, the Apostle Paul responds:

And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace. - Romans 11:6

But what about all those Christians who seem to be living in unrepentant sin?  Truly there will be many who will say "Lord, Lord" and still not be saved, yet the great lie is to believe it is because these "Christians" were too sinful, too worldly, too lukewarm, etc.  The truth is that they never really trusted Christ.  Their evil deeds or lack of good deeds were simply evidence of a non-existent faith.  Justification and condemnation are based solely on trust in Christ or lack thereof (see what Jesus Himself says in John 3:18 and John 3:36).  Read James 2, but this time consider that James is not comparing the Believer who has faith and works to the Believer who has faith and no works, but instead is comparing the Believer whose faith is evidenced by his works to the person who only professes to have faith yet whose absence of works prove he doesn't actually have said faith (James 2:14).

It is vitally important to understand that James' comparison is not Believer-plus-works vs Believer-minus-works.  His comparison is Believer proven true by his works vs unbeliever proven false by his lack of works.

In regards to the person who has true faith and yet whose works are not evident, the Apostle Paul says:

However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. - Romans 4:5

Getting this wrong negates the grace of God and nullifies the Gospel itself.  Abundant sin and lack of works are strong, but not absolute evidence that someone is unsaved, because in the end some will be saved even though they had no works (1 Corinthians 3:11-15).

2. "Don't judge"

Perhaps the most widespread lie on this list, Christians have done such an amazing job of misquoting Matthew 7:1 that non-Christians and nominal Christians alike now regularly use it as a shield from virtually any critique on lifestyle or societal ills.  It's like Jesus just came to tell everyone to mind their own business - that's supposedly the most tolerant, loving thing to do.

Two problems with "don't judge" though:

First, Jesus never taught this.  Jesus made numerous judgments on his society as well as individuals that he interacted with, as did His disciples.  In just one chapter in Matthew, Jesus judged many of the Pharisees and teachers of the law to be "blind fools" (Matthew 23:17), superficial and vain (Matthew 23:27), "hypocrites" (Matthew 23:29) and Gehenna-bound vipers (Matthew 23:33), and He judged the city of Jerusalem to be guilty of shedding the blood of the prophets (Matthew 23:37).  In a single verse, John 8:44, Jesus judges an entire group of Jewish people as being children of satan and judges satan himself as a "murderer from the beginning."  The judgments of Jesus can be found abundantly throughout all four gospels and the Book of Revelation.

In 1 Corinthians 2:15 the Apostle Paul says that the spiritual person judges or appraises (ἀνακρίνω in the Greek) "all things."  Believers should be judging everything.  Wisely and out of love, of course, but judgment is a big part of a Believer's life, both internal and external, appraising everything to see if it accords with God's will.  The necessity of the Believer judging self and others is further evident in 1 John 4:1, Romans 16:17, 2 Timothy 3:5-6, and 2 Corinthians 6:17.  Judging is not only not sinful, but is actually a key characteristic of a Believer.

What Jesus actually said was "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."  Someone will inevitably argue that Jesus' point is that since no one is perfect, no one should judge another imperfect person, but Jesus is not saying that at all.  His central point and command can be found several verses down in Matthew 7:5:

...first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

In the very passage that so many use as the basis for never judging others, Jesus demonstrates how you should judge others by first removing any hypocrisy that might interfere with your judgment!  If you are full of hate and rage you probably shouldn't admonish your sister for hers.  Likewise, if you are in the middle of watching Game of Thrones you probably shouldn't admonish your brother for struggling with pornography.  First stop indulging in the filth in your own life and then you will be able to lovingly and patiently admonish your brother for the filth in his.

Second problem with "don't judge": Jesus taught quite emphatically that you actually should:

Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly. - John 7:24

3. "Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words." - St. Francis of Assisi

For starters, this quote attributed to St. Francis, is not something he ever actually said or wrote.  That should tell you plenty.

Secondarily and most importantly, the false implication is that you can evangelize the lost without directly sharing your faith.  Many Christians have been inspired by this quote to be really, really nice and yet in the end the people to whom they were being so nice either didn't know what to attribute their niceness to or upon learning of their faith assumed they didn't take it very seriously since they didn't talk about it.

How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? - Romans 10:14

As one article puts it, what really should be said is "Preach the Gospel, and since it is necessary, use words."

4. "Too heavenly minded, no earthly good"

Many unbelievers and apathetic Christians like to use this to stamp out zeal because they find people who take their faith seriously a very burdensome annoyance.  Too much God talk!  Put The Simpsons back on and let's eat!

Some of the lies on this list have a kernel of truth, but this one's got nothing.  Your earthly good actually stems from your heavenly mindedness.  In fact, those who are earthly minded have actually made themselves enemies of God (James 4:4).  Here is what the Bible says about this lie:

Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth. - Colossians 3:1-2

But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. - Matthew 6:33

Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and their glory is in their shame. Their minds are set on earthly things. For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. - Philippians 3:19-20

So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal. - 2 Corinthians 4:18

Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest. - Hebrews 3:1

5. "God just wants me to be happy."

The fruits of this lie are innumerable broken commitments and even more unwise choices.  An unprecedented divorce rate, skyrocketing number of abortions, and uncountable multitude of fatherless homes expose this lie for what it is.  Sometimes rephrased "God made me this way" or "God wouldn't have given me this desire if _____."

The truth is that God wants you be holy (1 Peter 1:16, Leviticus 20:26).  Righteousness is the goal.  If your happiness is derived from sin, vanity, or poor character, He would have you be unhappy until you can come to your senses and find satisfaction in Him for "at His right hand are pleasures forevermore" (Psalm 16:11).

Reality is quite contrary to this lie, as Clear Lens author Logan Judy writes:

The gospel guarantees our persecution (2 Tim. 3:12), conflict in our families (Matthew 10:35), and ridicule from the culture (John 15:19).

6. "God helps those who help themselves."

Many Christians actually think this is a verse in the Bible, but it was actually coined in either the 17th or 18th century by Algernon Sydney or Benjamin Franklin.

While there is a hint of truth to this lie (see 2 Thessalonians 3:10 and James 4:8), the larger truth is that God helps those who can't help themselves.  God helps the helpless and so should we.  In fact, this is the message of the Gospel:

[He] made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved. - Ephesians 2:5

You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. - Romans 5:6

But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. - Romans 5:8

7. "Faith should be a private matter."

Faith is deeply personal, but it was never meant to be private.  A person's faith defines everything about them: who or what they worship, who they marry, who they befriend, how they spend their time, how they use their money, how they handle difficult circumstances, how they vote, and what they think about life after death.  Certainly Jesus and His disciples' faith was anything but private:

"I have spoken openly to the world," Jesus replied. "I always taught in synagogues or at the temple, where all the Jews come together. I said nothing in secret." - John 18:20

Even the Greek word used in the Bible for "preach" has an unequivocal meaning of public proclamation:

Kerusso: to preach, to be a herald, to officiate as a herald, to proclaim after the manner of a herald, always with the suggestion of formality, gravity, and an authority which must be listened to and obeyed, to publish, proclaim openly something which has been done, used [in relation to] the public proclamation of the gospel and matters pertaining to it, made by John the Baptist, by Jesus, by the apostles, and other Christian teachers.

8. "I believe in Jesus, but it's OK if someone believes in something else."

Perhaps the most dangerous lie on the list, this is a sort of "soft universalism."  At the heart of it, many Christians just want everyone to get along and be OK just as God does (2 Peter 3:9, Ezekiel 33:11), but they take this feeling and desire to a fatal end (John 8:24).  God Himself has provided the only means through which people can actually be OK and get along: His Son Jesus Christ (Acts 4:12, John 14:6, Romans 5:10, John 10:9, Matthew 7:13-14).

Not only is the Gospel of Jesus Christ the only means through which a person can be saved, but the God of the Bible is the only God who actually exists and is worthy of worship (Isaiah 43:10-11, Isaiah 45:5, Exodus 34:14, Deuteronomy 5:7, Psalm 96:4-5, Luke 4:8).  From God's revealed perspective, Vishnu, Gaia, and Allah are no different than Molech, Asteroth, and Ba'al: worthless idols (Psalm 135:15-18, Exodus 23:13, Jeremiah 11:12, Jonah 2:8, 1 Corinthians 10:20-22, Revelation 9:20).

In reality it is not OK if someone believes in something else.  It isn't OK for their current well being, nor is it OK for their family, and it certainly isn't OK for their soul.

There is a small bit of truth at the heart of this lie though: Christians are called to be kind and respectful even to those who disagree with us.  1 Peter 2:12 says:

Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.

9. "We shouldn't legislate our morality."

This line is used by many Christians who believe in a strict separation of church and state as well as non-Christians who don't want Christian values to be pushed on them.  It is often used against laws that would protect unborn children, define marriage traditionally, or protect religious freedom.

Just one rather elephantine problem with this lie: all legislation is based on someone's view of morality.  Morality is not a concept limited to Christianity, as if that even needs to be said.  Take a look at the laws in every country on earth, democracy and dictatorship alike: their laws reflect the morality of their leaders and their culture.  If Christians don't legislate their morality, atheists, Muslims, humanists, and secularists will legislate theirs.

Take the transgender bathroom issue in the United States as a current example.  Many are screaming at the North Carolina governor for "legislating morality" by defining who can enter a restroom based on biblical gender definitions and societal norms, yet the same people criticizing the governor would have the state and/or federal government impose laws that are no less based on morality - it would just be their version of morality.  Their moral code says that a person's gender is based on how they feel and not on physical reality or deductive reasoning.  And since a person's gender is based on how they feel, preventing a man who thinks he is a woman from entering the ladies' room would be discriminatory and wrong.

Or take as an example mundane laws such as the tax code or speed limits.  In many countries the tax code is progressive because societies have deemed it more fair that the poor pay less and the rich pay more, often stemming from religious views that encourage helping those in need.  If you remove morality from the picture, tax laws would be arbitrary and eventually non-existent: why not tax the poor 100% and the rich 0%?  In fact, why have any tax at all?  Likewise with speed limits, some lawmaker somewhere decided that it was wrong to allow people to drive recklessly and endanger others, so, based on their moral view, limits were put in place.

Remove morality and you remove all laws.  Some laws are moral and some immoral, but no law is amoral.  Every law has a moral nature.

10. "The Rapture is not in the Bible."

It is one thing to hold to various views as to the timing of the rapture event, but no rapture at all?  This belief is thoroughly nonsensical.  The argument often takes shape the same way that Jehovah's Witnesses will say that the Bible doesn't teach the doctrine of the Trinity since the word "Trinity" is not in the Bible - yet the doctrine of the Trinity is found all throughout the Bible, from Genesis 1:1-3 to Revelation. Many Christians say the word "rapture" is not in the Bible, end-of-story.

This argument doesn't even make sense - of course the English word "rapture" is not in the Bible.  So too the Latin word that we derive "rapture" from is also not in the Bible.  The New Testament was written in Greek! The Greek word for "rapture" is in the Bible: ἁρπάζω. In fact it occurs twice, first in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 and second in Revelation 12:5.  Even setting aside all other scriptures, parables, patterns, and parallels that may support the rapture, the rapture event is clearly and unequivocally taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.  This passage doesn't necessarily answer the question as to the timing of the event, but yes, the rapture is going to happen.  A trumpet will sound and the dead in Christ and those who are "alive and remain" will be "caught up" into the clouds.  It plainly, unequivocally says believers will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

[Zionist Conspirator]

1)Deuteronomy is not about rejecting the messiah. It is about deviating from the Torah (which means they would be punished for becoming chrstians).

You're quoting the "new testament." The point at issue is the validity of the "new testament." You can't prove the validity of the "new testament" by merely assuming it.

3)The Torah does not authorize chrstianity, therefore chrstianity is false. And chrstianity cannot authorize itself. All false religions authorize themselves.

But of course all these points will mean nothing to you.

I'm not Jewish, btw.

[amessenger4god]

"Mark 13 13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

What does Jesus mean by "endure unto the end?" You seem to imply he means be good enough long enough, do enough good works while alive, avoid sin enough until you're dead, etc. That is a classic business contract. You keep your end of the bargain and I will keep mine.

That is not the covenant relationship between a loving Father and his children.

You can find how the Bible itself defines enduring to the end in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, specifically v. 2:

"1 Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures"

That's it. The biblical definition of enduring to the end is holding fast to the Gospel until the end, which makes perfect sense since, well, you know - the Gospel is that whole thing about how Jesus died for your sins and rose again... Christianity 101. "Of first importance."

Notice also that the one and only time the Bible mentions falling from grace is in reference to those who make works a requirement:

"You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace." - Galatians 5:4

[Elsie]

When logic backs you into a coroner, always misdirect and obfuscate...right?

Damned Gay coroners are EVERYWHERE these days!

[Elsie]

When logic backs you into a coroner, always misdirect and obfuscate...right?

Perhaps; but when ELSIE ETAL toss MORMON facts into a thread; best to just ignore them.

[MHGinTN]

After taking a few passages from the Bible out of context to support Mormon heresy, you asked, "You actually think you're saved into heaven already??"

My answer is a resounding YES! But unlike your strawman falsety, that I have already 'earned' salvation ("... yours has already awarded you salvation'), I did not and could not EARN what God gives by His Grace according to His Promise. I did what God requires and the result is what God illustrates several places in the Old and New Testament happens when we believe the Promise of God, He saved me right then from the wrath to come (1Thess 1:9&10).

Joseph Smith proved to be a false prophet, and Mormonism teaches false doctrine by ignoring the 'to whom' and 'for what timing' necessary to rightly divide the Word of God.

Huff and puff all you want, Mormonism is a cult of false Christianity lookalike dogma, but not very closely lookalike.

You might want to apply your 'teaching' to the man at the center of mormonism, Joseph Smith: "You have to follow the narrow path that leads first to perfection then endure in righteousness till the end." Joe was a serial adulterer and chronic liar, a sexual degenerate using religious musings to lure women into his sexual service. Let us know when you reach 'perfection' on your efforts ...

[Elsie]

the Gospel is that whole thing about how Jesus died for your sins and rose again... Christianity 101.

Mormonism claims that the FULLNESS of the gospel is to be found in the book of Mormon.

It lies...

If it were true, the D&C's and Pearl of Great Price would NOT be needed or even considered to be scripture.

Logic 101

[MHGinTN]

You are the breathing, spittling spirit of antichrist seeking to draw away believers. The prime first axiom of that spirit is to discredit the Bible, namely the part directly showing Jesus.

[Elsie]

And when the judgement comes, you will be judged just like the rest of us..

SOMEbody has no clue as to what their chosen religion's leaders have said!!

"All men are saved by grace alone without any act on their part, meaning they are resurrected"

(Bruce McConkie, What Mormons Think of Christ", LDS tract, p.28).

[Roman_War_Criminal]

1. You don’t think Jews got punished enough for rejecting Christ the first time?

2. I gave you plenty of Torah references as well, you chose to ignore Isaiah 53 and Zechariah 12. So be it!

3. What kind of Zionist Conspirator isn’t Jewish?

[ladyL]

True but when was Easter this year?

[MHGinTN]

Easter is a pagan holiday. Ask when was First Fruits instead.

[StormPrepper]

That is not the covenant relationship between a loving Father and his children.

But it is appropriate for people to be tried and tested, which is the reason we were sent to this earth.

Enduring to the end means to endure all the trials of life, living righteously, following the commandments, and repenting continually no matter what is thrown at us. If we do this, when our efforts in this test are judged, our works are a witness to God that we were faithful through the entire test. Our sins are forgiven and we invited into the kingdom of God.

If you don't endure to the end, your sins are not forgiven and you will be judged to have "died in your sins".

John 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

"You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace." - Galatians 5:4

You're way over analyzing this scripture to justify your concept.

Paul is trying get these people to come away from the Law of Moses and not to follow the desires of the flesh. Follow the teachings of Jesus and the guidance of the Spirit. Then their works will be right.

It's like you're looking for loop holes or something.

The Lord's words in Matt 25 are pretty much idiot proof. His words are explicit, so I guess that's why everyone ignores them.

Whether you or anyone ignores them won't make a difference at the judgement. You can't get around them and they will be enforced. No matter what loop hole you think you found because you twisted a prophets words...won't matter, you're still going to be judged by those same laws.

And the outcome will be exactly as Jesus Christ said they would be. There's no way out of it.

Matt 25
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

How much clearer can the Lord be? You didn't do what I told you to do, begone.

Works matter.

Answer this question, if you don't do the work of feeding the hungry can you get into heaven? What does verse 42 say?

This isn't an academic exercise. This is real. Jesus really is the Son of God and He really was crucified for the sins of the world. And He really is coming back.

And He really will judge all of us.

[MHGinTN]

“Jesus really is the Son of God and He really was crucified for the sins of the world. And He really is coming back.” And according to Mormonism the Jesus of Mormonism was conceived when the physical God The Father had physical sex with the virgin Mary. Go away, spirit of antichrist. Your religion is not Christianity and is full of heresies conjured up by a sex deviant, a serial adulterer, a liar, a conman, and a false prophet.

Mormon apologist post some truth but always have the heretical core of Mormonism hidden, thus deceiving many.

[StormPrepper]

My answer is a resounding YES!

"the greater the distance between the giver and the receiver, the more the receiver develops a sense of entitlement.." - Elder Dale G. Renlund Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

When do I get to see anything from you resembling a true follower of the real Jesus Christ?

Gal 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance:...

Because you have never displayed any of these attributes...ever. And you say the vilest things.

Jesus said you have to be like a little child to receive salvation... does that describe you?

As far as I can tell... you don't really have...anything. Do you?

Here's a real path to trace from the Bible:

God will do nothing without a prophet:

Amos 3
7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Jesus called living Apostles and prophets to be His Church government:

1 Cor 12
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Paul told the Corinthians, then he told the Ephesians:

Eph 4
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

The true Church of God has prophets and Apostles.

John saw it in vision and recorded it Revelation 11.

A event that happens to two of those prophets just before the second coming... right there it is recorded by John 2000yrs ago that yes there are true prophets on the earth when Christ returns.

And Jesus was quite clear in Luke 13 that rejecting His prophets will get you cast out, which means hell.

Your path, or your non-message, doesn't lead anyone to the doorstep of true living prophets. Which we know exist at this time. Or unless you want to claim John the Revelator was a false prophet.

Seeing as how you don't match any of the criteria Jesus laid down for salvation, you might want to reconsider your claims. Just a thought....

[MHGinTN]

"Seeing as how you don't match any of the criteria stormprepper super Mormon asserts Jesus laid down for salvation ..."

You believe the 'Book of Mormon' is scripture. You lack any credulity of discernment.

[MHGinTN]

I speak the Truth about the founder of your cultish religion and you bubble out, “And you say the vilest things.” Joseph Smith was a vile person, a son of perdition. You want to defend that, it’s on you, Mormon.

[StormPrepper]

You want to defend that, it’s on you, Mormon.


Your straw man fu is E.P.I.C

p.s.
The Straw Man argument is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.

[MHGinTN]

Unfortunately for Mormons, everything I have written about Joseph Smith is true, backed up by facts in History. But the ‘strawman fu’ was genuinely funny.

[StormPrepper]

Unfortunately for Mormons...

You opinion doesn't make your biased conclusions fact.

Here's a fact though, you can't address the points I've made on this thread. You haven't and you can't. That's why you misdirect every comment to the Mormons. You have no message of your own. You have nothing.

Feel free to quote any leader from my Church you want. I love it when people do. But, you don't have any leaders that you can quote living or dead do you? As I have said before, in reality, you have nothing. (Don't bother saying you have the Bible, that's a cop out)

According to the laws of God, an evil seed can't create good fruit. And a good seed can't create evil fruit. Jesus gave this example as a simple sign for people to discern the things of God.

I can look at the current state of any church and see the disposition of it's founders.

The current state of my Church is pretty amazing. The leadership is comprised of the best blood this earth has to offer. Absolutely the most incredible examples of the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

This is why you try to twist events that happened nearly 200 years ago. You post your own conclusions of the meanings behind historical events based on your own agenda.

Here's a true apostle of Jesus Christ speaking: President Dieter F. Uchtdorf

The current state of the LDS Church today is the strongest testimony I could give that Joseph Smith was a true prophet.

The current disposition of his critics is....ummm...what exactly???

You guys can't even figure out if you should be baptizing babies, ordaining women, marrying two men together, or buggering alter boys... No offense to anyone else on the forum, but it is what it is....

...that's the path you're on. And so called "historical christianity" will continue down that path as it's doing right now to it's ultimate conclusion. The seeds of all those creeds and doctrines are bearing their fruit...

News of that fruit is posted in this forum all the time. "Methodist split over gay ...whatever"

[MHGinTN]

Apparently, it irks you that you cannot dictate what I post. Just because you take passages out of context, assuming as axiomatic many antithetical positions to what the 'whole text of Scriptures' teach, and then assert that I cannot address those errors so they must be correct --in your cult-directed mind-- is not conclusive. If you feel you need a victory, you might be on the wrong path, since witnessing is the job of the Saved, the Born from Above, not the agenda of argumentation, relying on the fallacy of the undistributed middle ... that I don't point by point refute your misuse of scriptures does not mean I cannot. You do not set my agenda for each day..

Your own plea to the fruit of Joseph Smith destroys your assertion ... the behavior of your founding false prophet proves immediately that the fruit is poison from a poison tree. That people can behave outwardly so 'good folks' is not proof of any sweetness in the poison of Joseph Smith. When one looks at what your cult teaches as the 'truth re-established by Joseph Smith' reveals immediately that Joe Smith was a false prophet. Your cult teaches the 'Lorenzo Snow couplet', teaching that 'God The Father Almighty was once a man as we are now and that He earned godhood', then physically mated with Mary to physically conceive the Son, who has worked his way to godhood, so there are at least these TWO gods. But Joe didn't stop there! There's more: every male Mormon has 'an opportunity to become a god like Jesus or The father almighty'.

The jesus of Mormonism is not the Jesus of Christianity. So when poison is doled out from a Mormon, the truth is often mixed in deadly fashion. Come out of the cult of Joseph Smith because it is of the father of lies.