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On Exhortation, Bishop Schneider Says a “Veritatis Laetitia” is Needed [Catholic Caucus]
One Peter Five ^ | April 25, 2016 | Maike Hickson

Posted on 04/25/2016 1:11:50 PM PDT by ebb tide

We all have been waiting for it for quite some time now. Finally, a prelate has spoken.

On the topic of the apostolic exhortation, Amoris Laetitia, Bishop Athanasius Schneider of Astana, Kazakhstan, has given a statement of over 6,000 words to the Italian website Corrispondenza Romana, which was published yesterday, 24 April. (No English translation has yet been made available; all of the following excerpts are taken from our own partial translation.)

While Schneider says that different interpretations of Amoris Laetitia now are now spreading, he sees that “Some of the statements of Amoris Laetitia are objectively liable to misinterpretation.” In his eyes, there are several aspects of the document which “are difficult to interpret according to the traditional doctrine of the Church.” Schneider shows how in some way, an explicit affirmation of doctrine and the continuous practice of the Church is missing concerning the rule that ‘remarried’ divorcees may not be admitted to Holy Communion.

“When it comes to the life or death of the body,” Schneider says, “no doctor would leave things in ambiguity. The doctor cannot tell the patient, ‘You should decide how to apply the medicine according to your conscience and following the laws of medicine.’ Such behavior on the part of a doctor would undoubtedly be considered irresponsible. Yet the immortal life of the soul is more important…”

Bishop Schneider quotes Pope John Paul II’s Familiaris Consortio (FC) on this matter, which states that such couples “are unable to be admitted thereto, since their state and their condition of life objectively contradict that union of love between Christ and the Church signified and effected by the Eucharist. There is another special pastoral reason: if these people were admitted to the Eucharist, the faithful would be led into error and confusion regarding the Church’s teaching on the indissolubility of marriage. Reconciliation in the sacrament of Penance – which opens the way for the sacrament of the Eucharist – can only be granted to those who have repented for having violated the sign of the covenant and of fidelity to Christ, they are sincerely ready to undertake a way of life no longer in contradiction with the indissolubility of marriage. This means, in practice, that when a man and a woman, for serious motives – such as, for example, the education of children – can not satisfy the obligation to separate, they ‘take on the duty to live in complete continence, by abstinence from the acts proper to spouses.'” (FC, n. 84)

According to Schneider, the pope has not established a new rule in Canon Law, applicable to all cases. However, he observes that Pope Francis does state that, in certain cases, where there are “mitigating factors”, it is “possible to live in the grace of God” and “receive the help of the Church,” even though one lives in an objectively sinful situation. Schneider adds that the pope here says that “in certain cases, there could be the help of the sacraments.”

Bishop Schneider shows how the pope quotes Gaudium et Spes ” in a way unfortunately incorrect” in paragraph 329 of his exhortation, thereby applying a statement intended only to refer to a valid Christian marriage to situations involving the divorced and remarried, indicating therewith that one can validate such a union “not in theory, but in practice.”

Bishop Schneider says that Amoris Laetitia opens itself up to “heterodox interpretations” with regard to the “remarried” divorcees by omitting the explicit quotation of relevant passages in Familiaris Consortio (n. 84). Such generalizing allusions to “moral principles” are, in the bishop’s eyes, “insufficient in the context of such a controversial matter” which is also very delicate and has great importance.

With regard to the claim of some clergymen that Amoris Laetitia‘s 8th chapter allows “remarried” couples who do not live in perfect continence to receive Holy Communion, Bishop Schneider says the following:

“… in accordance with the principle of non-contradiction, [there comes]the following logical conclusion: The Sixth Commandment which forbids any sexual act outside of a valid marriage would no longer be universally valid if exceptions were allowed.”

Thus, such a couple would live in a way that is “directly contradictory to the express Will of God.” Schneider concludes that such an encouragement of acts which are “contrary to the Will of God” would “contradict Divine Revelation.” To accept this would mean that the “Divine Word of Christ” not to separate what God has joined would, in Schneider’s eyes, therefore no longer be valid “always and for everyone” and “without exception.”

Such a rule would allow the Church to accept Christ’s teaching “in theory, but not in practice.” The works would not correspond to what we believe in. Schneider continues:

The permanent violation … of the Sixth Commandment of God … would therefore no longer [be]a serious sin or a direct opposition to the Will of God.

The prelate further shows how such an approach would have grave consequences:

The perennial and infallible teaching of the Church would no longer be universally valid, in particular the teaching confirmed by Pope John Paul II in Familiaris Consortio (84) and Pope Benedict XVI in Sacramentum Caritatis (29), according to which perfect continence is the condition for remarried divorcees to receive the Sacraments.

Bishop Schneider continues at length to discuss various parts of the papal document. It is our purpose here to share these initial passages as we await a full translation so that Catholics who have been waiting for a clear statement from one of our bishops would be given hope. We are grateful to Bishop Athanasius Schneider for his courage and love of the Faith to come out with this witness. We hope to provide more of Bishop Schneider’s statement as it becomes available in English.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: adultery; francischurch; schneider; sinnod
“When it comes to the life or death of the body,” Schneider says, “no doctor would leave things in ambiguity. The doctor cannot tell the patient, ‘You should decide how to apply the medicine according to your conscience and following the laws of medicine.’ Such behavior on the part of a doctor would undoubtedly be considered irresponsible. Yet the immortal life of the soul is more important…”
1 posted on 04/25/2016 1:11:50 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I do hope to be proven wrong, but so far? It seems to me that Bishop Schneider is merely applying the same old canard for Vatican II: it’s just ambiguous.


2 posted on 04/25/2016 1:20:18 PM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: piusv
The perennial and infallible teaching of the Church would no longer be universally valid

It seems when you start down this path thinking and proposing that you are the infallible word of God, but in reality you are just human, results like this are not that surprising. Are they? sschu

3 posted on 04/25/2016 1:36:23 PM PDT by schu
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To: ebb tide

Yes, but instead we got a “stupiditatis laetitia”.


4 posted on 04/25/2016 1:50:52 PM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: I want the USA back

I still like the title a Spanish blgger gave it: “Amores de Leticia,” the Loves of Letitia, because of its gushy, overheated, irrational tone. Just like a Latin American telenovela...


5 posted on 04/25/2016 3:06:45 PM PDT by livius
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To: piusv

Reading this initial partial translation I would disagree with you. For example:

“Bishop Schneider shows how the pope quotes Gaudium et Spes ” in a way unfortunately incorrect” in paragraph 329 of his exhortation, thereby applying a statement intended only to refer to a valid Christian marriage to situations involving the divorced and remarried, indicating therewith that one can validate such a union “not in theory, but in practice.”

He is stating that the Pope is incorrect. He won’t come out and state that the Pope is promoting heresy, but he is stating that Pope Francis is wrong.


6 posted on 04/25/2016 3:24:36 PM PDT by rmichaelj
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To: rmichaelj

Ah, but Guadium Et Specs is a Vatican II document. So my guess is that he will excuse the error because Francis merely “misinterpreted” it.


7 posted on 04/25/2016 3:45:46 PM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: rmichaelj
Here is his final paragraph: An authentic interpretation of Al, on the part of the Apostolic See, would bring about a joy in clarity (« claritatis laetitia » for the whole Church. Such a clarity would guarantee a love in joy (« amoris laetitia »), a love and a joy which would not be according to the minds of men, but according to the mind of God (cf. Mt. 16, 23). And this is what counts for the joy, life, and eternal salvation of the divorced who have remarried and for all men.

See? We just haven't seen an "authentic" interpretation of AL. Such would bring about the clarity missing from all other interpretations.

More Vatican II nonsense.

8 posted on 04/25/2016 3:54:43 PM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: piusv

I’d like to read the whole thing. Do you have a source for the full translation? Thanks in advance.


9 posted on 04/25/2016 4:21:12 PM PDT by rmichaelj
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To: piusv

Never mind found it.

The two paragraphs before read:

“The See of Peter, that is the Sovereign Pontiff, is the guarantee of the unity of Apostolic faith and sacramental discipline. Considering the confusion which has come to be among priests and bishops in the sacramental practice as much as regards the ‘divorced and remarried’ and as much as regards the interpretation of AL, one can consider legitimate an appeal to our dear Pope, Francis, the Vicar of Christ and « sweet Christ upon earth » (St. Catherine of Sienna), so that He order the publication of an authentic interpretation of « Amoris Laetitia », which should necessarily contain an explicit declaration of the disciplinary principle of the universal and infallible Magisterium in regarding to the admission to the Sacraments (sic) for the ‘divorced and separated’, as it has been formulated in n. 84 of Familiaris Consortio.

During the great Arian confusion of the Fourth Century, St. Basil the Great made an urgent appeal to the Pope of Rome to indicate with his own words the clear direction to obtain finally a unity of thought in faith and charity (cf. Epistle 70).”

I read it that he is calling for the Pope himself to provide an authentic interpretation of AL, not for each priest or bishop to have his own interpretation of it. While the word “correction” or “clarification” would be preferred, the intent is the same.


10 posted on 04/25/2016 4:42:54 PM PDT by rmichaelj
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To: livius
I still like the title a Spanish blgger gave it: “Amores de Leticia,” the Loves of Letitia, because of its gushy, overheated, irrational tone. Just like a Latin American telenovela...

That sure nails it.

A gushy stream of relationship advice that would do Dr. Phil or Oprah proud.

11 posted on 04/25/2016 9:29:31 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: piusv
See? We just haven't seen an "authentic" interpretation of AL. Such would bring about the clarity missing from all other interpretations.

Seems a hopeless case, considering the heresy contained therein. Extensive editing rather than "interpreting" would be the safest approach.

12 posted on 04/25/2016 9:37:43 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: ebb tide
Such a rule would allow the Church to accept Christ’s teaching “in theory, but not in practice.”

The very definition of "We're not changing doctrine, we're changing pastoral sensitivity."

13 posted on 04/25/2016 10:46:15 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Strawman #351)
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To: rmichaelj
I read it that he is calling for the Pope himself to provide an authentic interpretation of AL

So, in other words he is saying everyone's misinterpreted poor Francis. Francis will clear it all up! Uh-huh.

Exactly like Vatican II. For 50+ years everyone's been misinterpreting it....even all the bishops and popes.

14 posted on 04/26/2016 2:10:54 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: BlatherNaut

Yes. Things are in really bad shape when the two main so-called “conservative” and “orthodox” prelates, Burke and Schneider, have done nothing to fix this crisis.

I can’t think of one conciliar prelate that is not a Modernist or a Modernist sympathizer.


15 posted on 04/27/2016 2:39:15 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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