Posted on 01/17/2016 10:48:30 AM PST by ebb tide
No.
This is the message the Church gives us today. This is what Jesus says so forcefully: ‘New wine in new wineskins.’ Habits must be renewed in the newness of the Spirit, in the surprises of God. May the Lord grant us the grace of an open heart, of a heart open to the voice of the Spirit, which knows how to discern what should not change, because it is fundamental, from what should change in order to be able to receive the newness of the Spirit.
The problem is he is looking to change that which is fundamental. And, in fact, that which was fundamental was already changed in the 1983 Code: Non-Catholics already can receive communion. He will just continue along that slippery slope...listening to the "Spirit".
Hopefully, we agree that when a tradition, any tradition, contradicts Jesus' words/teaching, that tradition is false. When we hear the Pope or his theologians contradicting Jesus' words and gospel in general, we must say the teaching of those men is false!
Another way of saying this: when Apostolic Tradition is in agreement with the NT and particularly the gospels, we can say Apostolic Tradition is true. When Apostolic Tradition conflicts or contradicts with the NT and particularly the gospels, we MUST SAY that Apostolic Tradition is false.
Regarding the subject at hand, is the Pope speaking Ex Cathedra - or not? This is critical.
Divine revelation ended with the death of the last apostle, St. John the Evangelist.
So all the “spirits” that you and Bergoglio are “hearing from your heart” are certainly not holy.
Tell me honestly, do you hear the Holy Ghost in your heart when He contradicts Himself with 2000 yrs of Church teaching?
Bergoglio does.
Why do you defend his nefarious intentions?
Nothing has changed. When the Prelate speaks of morals and/or doctrine, he is speaking Ex Cathedra.
Every Pope I know has condemned abortion unequivocably.
I wish that this Pope had received as much publicity setting up free showers and barbers in Vatican Square as he does now.
I am SHOCKED, absolutely SHOCKED that what the Pope says is miscontrued. SHOCKED.
NOT.
"cynical little twist": nicely phrased and TRUE.
How nice! Comparing abortion (which Bergoglio claimed we Catholics talk too much about) with free showers and haircuts!
Well, I wasn't. I'm not that trivial.
I was thinking of the very different treatment the Pope gets from various media and the media's ideas of what is worthy and not worthy of things to discusss. The media does drive world discussion.
The media have always loathed Catholic teaching and the Pope is the "face" of that teaching. SO many things are sins: abortion, divorce/remarriage, artificial birth control, fornication, adultery, masterbation, etc.
When I was a girl I took the 5th commandment literally, THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
However, I know now that it also extends to "killing oneself" with alcohol, drugs, over-eating and so on.
I thought that the 6th commandment about adultery was one I would never break because I had limited "adultery" to only one thing.
Ooops, off-topic. I was NOT comparing abortion to free showers...only the media's treatment of the Pope's speeches/messages. He will NEVER say or do anything right according to the media, the Pope-haters and to those who simply don't like most of what he has said this past year.
Remember, the other cardinals ELECTED him. You might wish to find out who they were and exoriate THEM. The Pope didn't elect himself.
You are either rhetorically overheated, or your are hallucinating.
"The sin, he said, is a closed heart, that "does not hear the voice of the Lord, that is not open to the newness of the Lord, to the Spirit that always surprises us."
No! Bergoglio is absolutely not the face of Catholic teaching. He is the antithesis of it.
I hear you. You don't like him. You don't HAVE to like him. You MAY loathe him. He is 79 years old will MOST LIKELY die before you do and there will be yet another Pope.
WHY waste any emotions on him? It's a sad waste of your emotions...better to focus on people you like/love.
Sorry, it's none of my business and it was just a thought.
I LEARNED a long, long time ago that whatever the Pope, President, Governor do affects me NOT AT ALL, so I don't, as one Texan put it, don't get my shorts in a bunch.
Since I'm female I don't worry about bunched shorts but I get the message. :o)
Devarim 32 - http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9996/jewish/Chapter-32.htm
You’re welcome. :)
The above link is for y'alls perusal and edification.
I do not know what all the theological consequences of this may be, but I do know God swore on His own honor that He would be faithful even if His people were not faithful...
The Church does not teach, in her Magisterium, this very extreme and sweeping theological opinion: that every single gift, promise, ordinance and bond God ever made with the Jews is forever revoked and rejected.
True, many of His promises have already been fulfilled by Christ or by the Church as the "ingrafted branch" of the Jewish olive tree. But some of these promises to the Jews have yet to be fulfilled, because the time of their fulfillment--- the End of the Age-- has not yet come.
All of the eminent Catholic Jews, people like Alphonse Ratisbonne, the late Cardinal Lustiger, the Venerable Francis Liberman, and St. Teresa Benedict of the Cross (Edith Stein)--- have understood themselves to be as Catholics saved by Christ, while still members of the Chosen People with a role to play in Salvation History as Jews.
Yes, the Jews have a role in Salvation History from Abraham to the Second Coming. That is NOT the same as saying that they, or anyone, can be saved without faith in Christ.
It is not up to you, Hofmannor, or Bergoglio to declare the End of Age is now upon us and the Jews are now saved.
That is a sin of presumption. It is better to pray for their conversion, both collectively and privately, at this time.
29. And first of all, by the death of our Redeemer, the New Testament took the place of the Old Law which had been abolished; then the Law of Christ together with its mysteries, enactments, institutions, and sacred rites was ratified for the whole world in the blood of Jesus Christ. For, while our Divine Savior was preaching in a restricted area - He was not sent but to the sheep that were lost of the House of Israel [30] - the Law and the Gospel were together in force; [31] but on the gibbet of His death Jesus made void the Law with its decrees [32] fastened the handwriting of the Old Testament to the Cross, [33] establishing the New Testament in His blood shed for the whole human race.[34] "To such an extent, then," says St. Leo the Great, speaking of the Cross of our Lord, "was there effected a transfer from the Law to the Gospel, from the Synagogue to the Church, from the many sacrifices to one Victim, that, as Our Lord expired, that mystical veil which shut off the innermost part of the temple and its sacred secret was rent violently from top to bottom." [35]
Any promises still offered to the Jews by God is offered through Christ. They must accept Him.
I know of nobody who has said this. Are you implying that I, or the Pope, or somebody has?
We have been in the End Times since the Ascension of Our Lord, since the Time of the Church is the End Time. As to whether Christ's return is imminent, I do not know, nor does anybody else. Did you hear otherwise from the Pope?
"That is a sin of presumption. It is better to pray for their conversion, both collectively and privately, at this time."
There we are in agreement, ebb tide.
You want to show us where Paul tells anyone to continue creating traditions outside of the scriptures??? Can't do it??? Imagine that!!!
The comical part is that while your religion claims it has authority to create new tradition while having no authoritative warrant other than its own proclamation, your religion has no clue whatsoever what those traditions are that Paul spoke of...What a farce...
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