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Guns In Church? Security Is Heightened As FEMA Helps Churches Prepare For 'Active Shooter Incidents'
Right Side News ^ | Michael Snyder

Posted on 12/21/2015 8:49:47 PM PST by BlatherNaut

Do you ever wonder if someone might come marching into your church one Sunday morning and start shooting? When I was growing up, I never even imagined that some mentally-imbalanced individual or a group of Islamic terrorists would ever attempt to attack a church service that I was attending, but times have changed. There have been more mass shootings in America during the presidency of Barack Obama than under the previous four presidents combined, and the primary target of the Islamic terrorists in San Bernardino was a Messianic Christian. The shooters in San Bernardino could have very easily decided to hunt him down at his place of worship instead of at a workplace Christmas party if they had wanted to. And we all remember the horrific mass shooting that took place at a church in South Carolina earlier this year. Our churches are very vulnerable "soft targets", and Christians all over America are starting to realize that security needs to become a higher priority.

Just like schools, malls, movie theaters, concert halls and sporting events, churches are places where large numbers of people gather and where security is typically minimal. As Christmas approaches, FEMA is holding "specialized training" for churches that includes training for "active shooter incidents"...

Christian churches have been refining their security plans ahead of receiving some of their largest crowds of the year for Christmas.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has been holding specialized training for congregations for "all hazards, including active shooter incidents."

If Islamic terrorists were to even just hit one or two of our churches, attendance all across America would immediately plummet. Nobody wants to feel like they are taking their family to a place of danger, and so that is the power of random attacks like the ones that we recently witnessed in Paris. If terrorists can make us feel that they could strike anywhere and at any time, the panic and fear that will create will fundamentally change the way that we go about doing things.

Just look at what is already happening. Church greeters are already being trained to "feel for weapons" as they are hugging people coming in the front door…

Christian churches have been refining their security plans ahead of receiving some of their largest crowds of the year for Christmas. On a FEMA webinar last Wednesday on protecting houses of worship, the chief security executive at The Potter’s House, the Rev. TD Jakes' megachurch in Dallas, gave tips about behavior that should raise concern, such as a congregant arriving in a long coat in hot weather. If needed, church greeters could give a hug and feel for weapons, said the executive, Sean Smith.

And at one Catholic congregation in North Carolina, backpacks, baby strollers and diaper bags have been banned from worship areas...

In Charlotte, North Carolina, St. Matthew Roman Catholic Church, which draws about 30,000 worshippers to its weekend Masses, this month alerted parishioners to beefed-up security, such as uniformed and plain-clothes police officers at services, and a ban on backpacks, baby strollers and diaper bags in worship areas. So what is next?

Will we soon have the TSA groping us when we arrive for Sunday school?

Personally, I believe that we are going to see some things that were once unthinkable in the years ahead. For decades, we have all been able to go to worship services without even thinking twice about our safety. But now we live in a very different world.

At one time, it was actually quite common for people to bring guns to church. In fact, a 1631 Virginia law actually required men to "bring their pieces to church"...

It used to be the American way. For example, a 1631 law in Virginia required citizens to own firearms, to engage in practice with them, and to do so publicly on holy days. It demanded that the people "bring their pieces to the church." Somewhere along the line we have lost this mindset. Today the ideas of church and arms are assumed to be at odds, as if loving your neighbor has nothing to do with the preservation and defense of life and property.

And now we are starting to see a resurgence of guns in church. The following comes from Time Magazine...

But increasingly, churchgoers are able to pack heat in the pews if they wish. A number of states have recently passed laws allowing concealed weapons in churches, including Arkansas, Louisiana, Illinois and North Dakota. Bryan Crosswhite, president of 2AO, an organization that advocates for Second Amendment rights, says that roughly 25 states allow concealed carry weapons in churches. But after the shooting in Charleston, his group is pushing for more states to open up their churches to firearms.

"Churches are often gun-free zones," Crosswhite says. "That makes them a major target for those who go to worship. In most churches, the congregation has their back to the doors. People could walk right in and shoot so many people if you don’t have a plan in place.” To a lot of people, this may sound very odd. But if a crazy person or a group of Islamic terrorists decide to attack your church one Sunday, would you rather have a congregation that is armed or one that is entirely disarmed?

For years, Barack Obama and his minions have been pushing their gun control agenda and have been promising that they know how to keep us safe. But what have their efforts actually accomplished? I like how my friend Mac Slavo recently put it...

All the while the Obama administration continues to push a gun control agenda, while putting a wide security net over the personal communication and activities of the American people in an effort to convince us that we are being protected. The San Bernardino terrorists were not only admitted into the United States after having pledged support for Islamic terrorism proving what a joke Obama’s vetting process really is, but an investigation into their activities was halted due to concerns over racial and/or religious profiling. Moreover, despite all of the existing Federal and California State gun restrictions, they were somehow able to acquire firearms.

For the acute observer, this suggests that pretty much all of the trillions of dollar spent on Homeland security over the last 15 years have done almost nothing to make us any safer.

We live in a world that is becoming increasingly unstable, and the terror and the violence that are already plaguing much of the rest of the planet are now coming here.

Whether we like it or not, we are going to have to deal with certain dangers that would have been unimaginable to previous generations.

The truth is that it is only a matter of time before the next church attack happens.

If it happens at your church, how will you and your congregation deal with it?

That is something that we all need to be thinking about.

Source: End of the American Dream


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To: BlatherNaut

Our large church in VA always has three or four men who stand on the walls at the back during the service. Seeing as how it has a fairly high number of military and ex-military in the church membership, and an exceedingly high number of NRA stickers on cars in the parking lot, this would be a case of suicide by church member instead of suicide by cop.


21 posted on 12/22/2015 12:21:57 AM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: BlatherNaut
hit one or two of our churches, attendance all across America would immediately plummet

Sounds like the old joke where the guy comes in with a gun, tells the congregation that he is only going to shoot Christians and lets everyone who chooses leave. Once they have gone, he tells the Pastor he can preach since only real Christians are left.

You are correct, attendance would drop but the wheat would definitely be separated from the tares.
22 posted on 12/22/2015 12:25:42 AM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

FEMA doesn’t need to teach the men who carry in my church what to do in an active shooter incident.

I know who one of them is and that there are more.

It’d probably freak more than a few people out but I know nothing......


23 posted on 12/22/2015 1:22:06 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: grey_whiskers

LOL!!!!


24 posted on 12/22/2015 1:23:37 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: BlatherNaut

I think the old adage of: “Beware of a Greek bearing a gift” should apply for this one. This day and age, those who trust the Federal Government usually live to regret it.


25 posted on 12/22/2015 1:25:49 AM PST by sport
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To: Fred Hayek

Great testimony of Christian responsibility!


26 posted on 12/22/2015 1:37:43 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

I also have noticed that independent Baptist churches seem to be in front on this issue. Could be that the first sign of religious oppression usually goes after the independents since they do not have an overarching organization which can provide cover.

But maybe I am just paranoid?


27 posted on 12/22/2015 1:53:13 AM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: BlatherNaut

I carry in my church. No one knows except my children. I’m not sure what the reaction would be but I don’t think it would be good.


28 posted on 12/22/2015 2:49:25 AM PST by raybbr (Obamacare needs a deatha panel)
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To: BlatherNaut

bfl


29 posted on 12/22/2015 2:56:14 AM PST by The FIGHTIN Illini (Wake up fellow Patriots before it's too late)
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To: BlatherNaut

In our church leadership (deacons and elders) is encouraged to carry. Our insurance carrier will reimburse the cost of the CHL (Concealed Handgun License) for leadership.


30 posted on 12/22/2015 3:03:40 AM PST by CurlyDave
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To: BlatherNaut

My pastor this summer asked if members would have the courage to come to church if they knew they could be murdered in the pew. He was discussing the faith of middle east Christians, but challenged us to examine ourselves. He admitted doubts plagued him if he had the courage to walk across the campus if it were the case. I suspect there are guns in my church, I know of at least one while I am there.

Christmas Eve this year may be the safest it has ever been in a long time.


31 posted on 12/22/2015 3:04:43 AM PST by EBH ( I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. ~~ Obama)
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To: BlatherNaut

But consider all this hype around the active shooter scenario, I find it a bit odd.

Training churches to handle an active shooter?

It is winter, a bomb vest under a coat would go undetected and in a gun carrying church be far more efficient.

So is this training more about federal gun control and ramping up for a false flag incident.


32 posted on 12/22/2015 3:14:03 AM PST by EBH ( I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. ~~ Obama)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
What does an inactive shooter do?

Bleed out.

33 posted on 12/22/2015 3:43:44 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

My church has armed security too - one of them wears the Black “Security” T-shirt and carries his gun openly on his hip....


34 posted on 12/22/2015 4:35:49 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: laplata

Trust me. I am the Lone Ranger.


35 posted on 12/22/2015 5:43:41 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Get Ready)
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To: BlatherNaut

The early settlers carried guns to church. Theodore Roosevelt carried when in church. It is called wisdom, which we should seek:

“Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.”- Proverbs 4:7


36 posted on 12/22/2015 6:20:11 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: zot; SeraphimApprentice; Interesting Times

At one time, it was actually quite common for people to bring guns to church. In fact, a 1631 Virginia law actually required men to “bring their pieces to church”...


37 posted on 12/22/2015 6:30:15 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

You are to be commended.


38 posted on 12/22/2015 6:34:28 AM PST by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: EBH
So is this training more about federal gun control and ramping up for a false flag incident.

Gotta wonder.

"...Just look at what is already happening. Church greeters are already being trained to "feel for weapons" as they are hugging people coming in the front door..."

39 posted on 12/22/2015 6:40:57 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: wbarmy

I think attendance would increase.

In times of trouble, people turn to God.


40 posted on 12/22/2015 7:00:00 AM PST by marktwain
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