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Did Thomas More and John Fisher die for nothing?
Denver Catholic ^ | 10/19/15 | Archbishop Samuel Aquila

Posted on 10/19/2015 3:00:20 PM PDT by markomalley

The idea that Catholics should be allowed to remarry and receive communion did not begin with the letter signed by Cardinal Kasper and other members of the German episcopate in 1993. Another country’s episcopate – England’s – pioneered this experiment in Christian doctrine nearly 500 years ago. At stake then was not just whether any Catholic could remarry, but whether the king could, since his wife had not borne him a son.

As with those who advocate for communion for the civilly remarried, the English bishops were uncomfortable with embracing divorce and remarriage outright. Instead, they chose to bend the law to the individual circumstances of the case with which they were confronted, and King Henry VIII was granted an “annulment” — on a fraudulent basis and without the sanction of Rome.

If “heroism is not for the average Christian,” as the German Cardinal Walter Kasper has put it, it certainly wasn’t for the King of England. Instead, issues of personal happiness and the well-being of a country made a strong utilitarian argument for Henry’s divorce. And the King could hardly be bothered to skip communion as the result of an irregular marriage.

England’s Cardinal Wolsey and all the country’s bishops, with the exception of Bishop John Fisher of Rochester, supported the king’s attempt to undo his first – and legitimate – marriage. Like Fisher, Thomas More a layman and the king’s chancellor, also withheld his support. Both were martyred – and later canonized.

In publicly advocating that the king’s marriage was indissoluble, Fisher argued that “this marriage of the king and queen can be dissolved by no power, human or Divine.” For this principle, he said, he was willing to give his life. He continued by noting that John the Baptist saw no way to “die more gloriously than in the cause of marriage,” despite the fact that marriage then “was not so holy at that time as it has now become by the shedding of Christ’s Blood.”

Like Thomas More and John the Baptist, Fisher was beheaded, and like them, he is called “saint.”

At the Synod on the Family taking place right now in Rome, some of the German bishops and their supporters are pushing for the Church to allow those who are both divorced and remarried to receive communion, while other bishops from around the world are insisting that the Church cannot change Christ’s teaching. And this begs a question: Do the German bishops believe that Sts. Thomas More and John Fischer sacrificed their lives in vain?

Jesus showed us throughout his ministry that heroic sacrifice is required to follow him. When one reads the Gospel with an open heart, a heart that does not place the world and history above the Gospel and Tradition, one sees the cost of discipleship to which every disciple is called. The German bishops would do well to read, “The Cost of Discipleship” by the Lutheran martyr, Dietrich Bonhoeffer. For what they promote is “cheap grace” rather than “costly grace,” and they even seem to ignore the words of Jesus that, “Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me,” (Mk. 8: 34, Lk. 14: 25-27, Jn. 12: 24-26).

Think, for example, of the adulterous woman whom the Pharisees presented to Jesus to trap him. The first thing he did was to protect her from her accusers, and the second thing he did was to call her to leave her sin. “Go,” he commanded her, “and sin no more.”

Following the words of Christ himself, the Catholic Church has always taught that divorce and remarriage is simply adultery by another name. And since communion is reserved to Catholics in the state of grace, those living in an irregular situation are not able participate in that aspect of the life of the Church, though they should always be welcomed within the parish and at the Mass itself.

Last May, Cardinal Kasper claimed in an interview with Commonweal that we “can’t say whether it is ongoing adultery” when a repentant, divorced Christian nonetheless engages in “sexual relations” in a new union. Rather, he thinks “absolution is possible.”

And yet, Christ clearly called remarriage adultery and said adultery was sinful (Mt. 5:32, Mk. 10:12, Lk. 16:18). In the case of the Samaritan woman (John 4:1-42), Jesus also confirmed that remarriage cannot be valid, even when informed by sincere feeling and fidelity.

When one adds to the equation the high failure rate of remarriages subsequent to a divorce, where Cardinal Kasper’s reasoning would lead, no one can say. For example, should sacramental communion be allowed only for the once-remarried? What about people remarried twice, or three times? And it is obvious that the arguments made for easing Christ’s prohibition on remarriage could also be made for contraceptive use, or any number of other aspects of Catholic theology understood by the modern, self-referential world as “difficult.”

Predicting what this would lead to isn’t a matter of knowing the future, but of simply observing the past. We need only to look at the Anglican Church, which opened the door to – and later embraced – contraception in the 20th century and for more than a decade has allowed for divorce and remarriage in certain cases.

The German bishops’ “Plan B” to do things “their way” in Germany, even if it goes against the grain of Church teaching, has the same flaws. And, it has an eerie ring to it – in an Anglican sort of way. Consider the words of the head of the German Bishops Conference, Cardinal Marx, who was cited in the National Catholic Register as saying that while the German Church may remain in communion with Rome on doctrine, that in terms of pastoral care for individual cases, “the synod cannot prescribe in detail what we have to do in Germany.” Henry VIII would most certainly have agreed.

“We are not just a subsidiary of Rome,” Cardinal Marx argued. “Each episcopal conference is responsible for the pastoral care in their culture and has to proclaim the Gospel in its own unique way. We cannot wait until a synod states something, as we have to carry out marriage and family ministry here.”

The Anglicans also sought such autonomy – though with increasingly internally divisive results and the emptying of their communities.

It is undeniable that the Church must reach out to those on the margins of the faith with mercy, but mercy always speaks the truth, never condones sin, and recognizes that the Cross is at the heart of the Gospel. One might recall that Pope St. John Paul II – cited by Pope Francis at his canonization as “the pope of the family” – also wrote extensively about mercy, dedicating an entire encyclical to the topic, and establishing the feast of Divine Mercy. For St. John Paul, mercy was a central theme, but one that had to be read in the context of truth and scripture, rather than against it.

On remarriage, and many other issues, no one would say that the Church’s teaching, which is Christ’s, is easy. But Christ himself did not compromise on core teachings to keep his disciples from leaving him – whether it was on the Eucharist or marriage (Jn 6: 60-71; Mt 19: 3-12). Nor did John Fisher compromise to keep the king Catholic.

We need look no further for a model on this matter than words of Christ and St. Peter in Chapter 6 of John’s Gospel – a passage that reminds us that the teaching on the Eucharist is often difficult to accept even for believers.

“’It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe. … For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.’ As a result of this, many [of] his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him. Jesus then said to the Twelve, ‘Do you also want to leave?’ Simon Peter answered him, ‘Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.’”

As disciples we are always called to listen to the voice of Jesus before the voice of the world, culture or history. The voice of Jesus sheds light on the darkness of the world and cultures. Let us pray that all concerned will listen to those words of eternal life, no matter how difficult!


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To: tumblindice
`Saint’ More burned his share of `reformist heretics’ while he was chancellor.

What, exactly, was the problem with that?

Are you decrying when Protestants burned Catholics at the stake (or beheaded them or hung them by the neck until dead?) Or only when Catholics burned Protestants (or beheaded them or hung them by the neck until dead).

News flash: that's what happened to heretics back in the day. That's regardless of whether it is people who you'd consider a heretic or people who I'd consider a heretic.

21 posted on 10/19/2015 5:05:41 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley
Do the German bishops believe that Sts. Thomas More and John Fischer sacrificed their lives in vain?

Good question. What we've learned since then, watching the parade of human folly, is that they didn't sacrifice their lives in error, either.

Someone up-thread was trying to make hay out of the idea that, over the centuries, judgments of nullity were at times bent by political considerations. I wouldn't be surprised. Interesting for the historian or the novelist, but irrelevant here. In moral terms, Henry's case wasn't a close one. It was as cold-blooded and venal as it was logically ridiculous.

22 posted on 10/19/2015 5:10:07 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
If a divorced person is remarried, he is committing adultery until he leaves his remarriage. If he does not, he is still committing adultery continuously by remaining in the state of continual desire for adultery. That being so, how can he receive communion in a state of sin? The whole question is ridiculous.
    Fascinating possibilities
  1. If he remarried, he sins, even though the scripture explicitly allows it (Deutetonomy).
  2. If he divorces again, he sins.
  3. The Pope, the bishop of Rome, with the other bishops, is the successor of the Apostles and has some part in binding and loosing. One can see why the first council in Jerusalem was necessary to resolve the question of Gentiles' responsibilities in the one holy catholic apostolic church. Had they simply ruled according to the scriptures and tradition would all Christians be circumcised ?

23 posted on 10/19/2015 5:14:47 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: SamuraiScot
Someone up-thread was trying to make hay out of the idea that, over the centuries, judgments of nullity were at times bent by political considerations. I wouldn't be surprised. Interesting for the historian or the novelist, but irrelevant here. In moral terms, Henry's case wasn't a close one. It was as cold-blooded and venal as it was logically ridiculous.

The issue with Henry VIII was not that he got an annulment. Because of consanguinity laws in place (Catherine was the widow of Henry's brother Arthur, making her off-limits per the laws in place at that time), Henry had to get a Papal Dispensation (an official determination that justice mandates an exception to the law) of those consanguinity laws in order to be able to marry her.

Then he was to ask the Pope to basically say, "oops -- never mind," in regard to his prior dispensation. Obviously, that's not going to work as it would call the Pope's judgment into question for all manner of decisions.

That's what made this different than other annulment situations.

24 posted on 10/19/2015 5:29:11 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: af_vet_1981
If he remarried, he sins, even though the scripture explicitly allows it (Deutetonomy).

If he remarries he sins because Scripture says so (Matthew 5, Matthew 19, Mark 10, Mark 19).

25 posted on 10/19/2015 5:35:00 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Deuteronomy explicitly says otherwise (in a particular case).
Can the scripture be broken ?


26 posted on 10/19/2015 5:39:21 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Can the scripture be broken ?

Jesus said no: "When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery." - Mark 10:10-12.

Is Jesus wrong?

27 posted on 10/19/2015 5:43:38 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: NKP_Vet

Thank you for your clear review on post #8. Pope Francis is responsible for the suspicious statements from heretics in the Vatican who twist dogma in order to be “merciful.”

Heretics, please note. It is not merciful to delete the rules.


28 posted on 10/19/2015 5:47:42 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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To: markomalley
That's what made this different than other annulment situations.

A little weirder in the special-pleading direction, is that what you're saying?

29 posted on 10/19/2015 6:21:20 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Very prudent. You are wise, Mrs. Don-o


30 posted on 10/19/2015 6:24:51 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: tumblindice; markomalley
Tumblindice: the exact measure of Thomas More's participation in the prosecution of heresy is a matter of historic controversy.

As Chancellor, More was obliged to apply the laws: he did not make them. And the laws were formulated with the suppression of sedition in mind: since everybody (church and state, orthodox and heretic, the prosecutors and the condemned) --- all of them --- understood that heresy involved treason: the repudiation of the oaths, covenants, and fealties which kept the kingdom united and at peace.

Six men were burned during Thomas More's chancellorship, which is indeed a very odious thing. More was directly involved in only three of these cases (maybe four? it's unclear), and in no case did he have any legal options: they were all relapsed convicts, whom he had no power to reprieve.

(Let me interject here that I remember when Karla Faye Tucker was executed in Texas during George Bush's term as governor. A lot of people, including myself at the time, blamed Bush for not pardoning her, since she was very much a converted person who had repented and repudiated her crime. It was only later that I learned that under the TX Constitution, the Governor had no power to pardon for capital crimes. Not exactly the same, but similar with More: he wouldn't have had the power to overturn their sentences.)

Yet More did believe in the death penalty for heresy/sedition. In his Apology and again in The Debellation of Salem and Bizance (both in 1533) he defended the principle of punishment of heresy by secular power on the ground that it threatened the peace and safety of the commonwealth. As Chancellor it was his duty to administer the civil laws of England, which prescribed the death penalty for obstinate heretics. During his service as Chancellor, he was personally involved in ~4 cases which resulted in executions. In three years.

You can get this in better perspective when you realize that in 1535, in early June alone, when Thomas More was in prison, Henry VIII’s regime with Thomas Cromwell at the helm burned at the stake 14 heretics. In two weeks.

Please don't think I am writing this as a total exoneration of Thomas More's Chancellorship, as if he were blameless. It's just a matter of seeing the men and the times with a just eye.

31 posted on 10/19/2015 6:26:39 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: markomalley

As usual, there is a simple solution. German bishops have always chafed under Rome’s orthodoxy. Fine, let declare their heresy for all to hear. Then go their separate way. Catholicism has survived much worse and will survive this latest heresy.


32 posted on 10/19/2015 6:31:38 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: DoodleDawg

When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

Deuteronomy, Catholic chapter twenty four, Protestant verses one to two, Matthew, Catholic chapter five, Protestant verses seventeen to nineteen,
John, Catholic chapter ten, Protestant verses thirty four to thirty seven,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James,
bold underline emphasis my choice

  1. Can the scripture be broken ?
  2. Is Jesus wrong?
  1. No
  2. No

33 posted on 10/19/2015 6:48:45 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981; DoodleDawg

You are trying to change things with a slight twisting. Jesus brought the New Covenant, and it is best to follow His teachings. As the cloud overshadowed Peter, James, and John, and God Almighty spoke with the clear direction...”this is My Beloved Son, hear ye Him.”

Jesus clearly said as DoodleDawg quoted:

“When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.” - Mark 10:10-12.


34 posted on 10/19/2015 7:03:32 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: Cedar
You are trying to change things with a slight twisting.

Change ? Oh, the rich irony and hypocrisy.

Jesus brought the New Covenant, and it is best to follow His teachings. As the cloud overshadowed Peter, James, and John, and God Almighty spoke with the clear direction...”this is My Beloved Son, hear ye Him."
Jesus clearly said as DoodleDawg quoted:

Are you trying to deny the other scriptures, including those Jesus spoke ?

35 posted on 10/19/2015 8:11:35 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Cedar; af_vet_1981
And if verses 10 through 12 aren't clear enough, prior to that Jesus said: "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

I don't think there can be a clearer statement of Jesus's beliefs than that.

36 posted on 10/20/2015 3:53:15 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
I don't think there can be a clearer statement of Jesus's beliefs than

Are you pickinging and choosing which of Jesus' sayings to believe, interpreting some the way you understand and casting off others ?

37 posted on 10/20/2015 5:24:34 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Are you pickinging and choosing which of Jesus' sayings to believe, interpreting some the way you understand and casting off others ?

No but I suggest that the New Testament and Jesus's own words are a better view into what He believed about marriage than Deuteronomy.

38 posted on 10/20/2015 5:31:14 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
No but I suggest that the New Testament and Jesus's own words are a better view into what He believed about marriage than Deuteronomy.

I think I see where this argument is headed. If one throws away Deuteronomy ...

Seek the reason for what He commanded.

And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them. The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day. The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire, (I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the work of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount;) saying, I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. Thou shalt have none other gods before me. Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. Thou shalt not kill. Neither shalt thou commit adultery. Neither shalt thou steal. Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour. Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's. These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers. And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee. And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day. And the LORD thy God will make thee plenteous in every work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good: for the LORD will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers: If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

Deuteronomy, Catholic chapter five, Protestant verses one to twenty two,
Deuteronomy, Catholic chapter eighteen, Protestant verses fifteen to nineteen,
Deuteronomy, Catholic chapter thirty, Protestant verses one to sixteen,
Matthew, Catholic chapter five, Protestant verses seventeen to nineteen, and thirty one to thirty two,
John, Catholic chapter ten, Protestant verses thirty four to thirty seven,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James, boldunderline emphasis my choice

39 posted on 10/20/2015 6:24:54 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

In Mark 10, verses two through four, the Pharisees quote Deuteronomy when Jesus asked them what Moses said about divorce. Jesus then continues to say, basically, that Moses was wrong and that marriage is a lifetime covenant between a man and a woman. And to leave one spouse and marry another is adultery. So given a choice between Moses and Jesus, I’m going to lean more heavily on what Jesus taught.


40 posted on 10/20/2015 8:03:49 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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