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1 posted on 09/09/2015 9:28:44 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut; onyx

Jeb is meeting with the Pope on Sept. 23. Weird.

Also you would think the Pope would be very concerned about Planned Parenthood genocide, selling of dead baby parts.

Vatican crickets. Very strange.


2 posted on 09/09/2015 9:31:15 AM PDT by Sontagged (Woe to you when all men shall speak well of you...)
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To: BlatherNaut

Who does he think he is.....Obama???


3 posted on 09/09/2015 9:31:23 AM PDT by CMailBag
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To: BlatherNaut

Has this man ever read a Bible?


4 posted on 09/09/2015 9:34:32 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: BlatherNaut

If you think this doctrinal change is bad... just wait until the gospel itself is re-defined.


5 posted on 09/09/2015 9:37:08 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: BlatherNaut

They are called "executive orders". Haha.

6 posted on 09/09/2015 9:37:10 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: BlatherNaut

Just like our Constitution.


8 posted on 09/09/2015 9:42:12 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: BlatherNaut

Church doctrine is, by definition, whatever the people running the church say it is.

Comes from the Latin “doctrina” or “teaching.”


11 posted on 09/09/2015 10:04:55 AM PDT by Redbob (Keep your hands off my great-great-grandfather's flag)
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To: BlatherNaut

It is not easier to get an annulment, the Pope put into place rules which will speed up the process. For example, the 3-person tribunal used to reauire that 2 of them be priests; now the requirement is for only one priest. If a bishop has two more qualified laypeople, he can double the capacity.

People may believe that annulments are now given out like candy, but since one of the invalidating points is that one or both of the partners planned to use artificial birth control, and this was a notion which was erroneously taught or not explained to many people in the US, it is not surprising that many invalid marriages were performed.

The main problem, as it so often is, is that the media does not understand Church teaching and also puts on its own destructive spin when reporting.


12 posted on 09/09/2015 10:05:00 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: BlatherNaut

What EXACTLY is the doctrinal “change” supposed to be? A change in canon law procedure does not necessarily encroach on anything “doctrinal”.


13 posted on 09/09/2015 10:18:15 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: BlatherNaut

One of my major problems with this denomination is how much power they give to one individual. If that person is steadfast in their doctrine and conduct, that’s great.

If they aren’t, then what?


15 posted on 09/09/2015 10:28:55 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (SECEDE TEXAS!! If not now, when?)
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To: BlatherNaut

Francis can only affect Roman Catholics.


17 posted on 09/09/2015 11:14:27 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: BlatherNaut

Did the Pontiff say he wanted to “fundamentally transform tbis” church?


22 posted on 09/09/2015 1:13:46 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: BlatherNaut

Taking a cue from the first Marxist POTUS, the first Marxist Pope is fundamentally transforming the Roman Catholic Church.


23 posted on 09/09/2015 1:45:37 PM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: BlatherNaut

Okay. Things are getting interesting.


25 posted on 09/09/2015 3:04:57 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: BlatherNaut; Sontagged; CMailBag; Safrguns
This author, Spalding, thinks he can do with bluster and sarcasm what he cannot do with methodical, factual analysis: convince us that Pope Francis has blown up the laws of the Church concerning marriage.

I instead recommend the counsel offered by Canonist Ed Peters (a name known and trusted by many faithful Catholics here), who takes a much more sober and objective view of the pluses and the potential problems of the process.

That's
Here (a first look at Mitis)(focus on pluses),

And

Here (a second look at Mitis)(focus on potential problems)

And

Here (Ed Peters' Facebook page is an ongoing source of insight AND a virtual gathering place for online RayBurkistas).

26 posted on 09/09/2015 3:12:51 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("He comes to judge the living and the dead, and the world by fire.")
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To: BlatherNaut

We are members of the Holy Eucharistic Apostolate, and they send us a newsletter every month, and in this most recent issue, it states:

[The following statement was made] by Cardinal Wojtyla.. at the Eucharistic Congress in Philadelphia in 1976. Here is what it said:

“We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has ever experienced. I do not think the wide circle of the American society, or the wide circle of the Christian community, realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the Church and the anti-church, between the Gospel and the anti-gospel, between Christ and the antichrist. The confrontation lies within the plans of Divine Providence. It is therefore in God’s plan, and it must be a trial which the Church must take up, and face courageously.”

Confirmation of this statement came from another source decades later. According to the web log “Rorate Caeli,” Sr. Lucia, the Fatima visionary, also spoke of a final confrontation between the Kingdom of God and the kingdom of Satan. In an interview on February 16, 2008, three years after the death of Sr. Lucia, Carlo Cardinal Caffarra, the archbishop of Bologna, told the monthly magazine “Voice of Padre Pio” that he had written a letter to Sr. Lucia “through her bishop as I couldn’t do so directly.”

He said that he didn’t expect an answer since he had only asked for her prayers, but then was surprised to receive a long letter with her signature. Among other things the Fatima visionary said:

“The final battle between the Lord and the reign of Satan will be about marriage and the family. Don’t be afraid because anyone who works for the sanctity of marriage and the family will always be fought and opposed in every way because this is the decisive issue. However, Our Lady has already crushed its [Satan’s] head.”

During her appearances at Fatima in 1917, the Virgin Mary said that praying the rosary was the key to peace in the world......

-from Volume XXIX Number 3


27 posted on 09/09/2015 4:52:02 PM PDT by mlizzy (America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe/Wade has deformed a great nation. -MT)
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To: BlatherNaut
You Don't Think Francis Can Change Church Doctrine? He Just Did.

Oh; no!

We've been told this is IMPOSSIBLE many, MANY times here on FR.

What he did (or didn't) was to change how 'doctrine' is INTERPRETED.

We Prots have been told lots of times that we are our own popes.

Well; it looks like Francis is HIS own pope!!!



Oh... Wait...





34 posted on 09/10/2015 3:58:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BlatherNaut

As a Roman Catholic, he’s not MY Pope. Every time he opens his mouth, our pours more Heresy, he’s a Heretic and an Anti-Pope.

As far as I’m concerned Pope Benedict XVI is still THE Pope.


47 posted on 09/11/2015 5:13:49 PM PDT by Lucy Hamilton (Lucy From Occupied Europa)
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