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If you commit mortal sin, you need to repent, have faith, and go to confession.
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Exactly where in the Bible from Christ’s teachings do those words come from? Specifically mortal sin and confession.


4 posted on 07/21/2015 5:05:11 PM PDT by bramps (Wake me up when we find a candidate to take on the scourge that is Islam.)
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The Bible does tell us to confess our sins to God and to each other, but the terms and classification of mortal vs. venial sin is not in Scripture, but made up by the Roman church. They will use certain versus to claim these two classifications are referred to by God's word, but it is a very obscure and murky argument at best.

I once asked a Catholic priest how I could be assured salvation and heaven. He stammered for a bit before saying, "Well, that is a Great Mystery."

7 posted on 07/21/2015 5:13:30 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: bramps
Exactly where in the Bible from Christ’s teachings do those words come from? Specifically mortal sin and confession.

Mortal sin merely points out that there are serious and not so serious sins....cussing out your golf shot is not that serious an offense....committing adultery....remarriage after divorce for example, is a much more serious offense.

Confession was establishes as a Sacrament when Christ said "whose sins that you shall forgive, they are forgiven"...

9 posted on 07/21/2015 5:14:56 PM PDT by terycarl (, COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL)
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To: bramps

“Mortal sin”? Chapter and verse, please.

God does not have a hierarchy of sins. More made-up stuff.


10 posted on 07/21/2015 5:16:28 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: bramps

The Commissioning of Peter and the Commissioning of all the Apostles, the first Bishops.

Remember, Jesus breathed on them (Holy Spirit), saying, “Receive the Holy Spirit, whose sins you shall forgive they are forgiven them, whose sins you bind will be held bound.”


17 posted on 07/21/2015 5:24:36 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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The early Church Fathers, of course, were unanimous in teaching the reality of mortal sin. They had to embrace the doctrine of mortal sin precisely because they recognized not only the salvific power of baptism but also the damning power of certain serious sins. The Church taught that “baptism . . . now saves you” (1 Pet. 3:21; see the Catholic Answers tracts Baptismal Grace and Born of Water and the Spirit). However, since during the persecutions some baptized people denied Christ, and since Christ taught that “whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven” (Matt. 10:33), the Church Fathers recognized that it was possible to lose the grace of salvation after baptism.

In the Old Testament sin is set forth as an act of disobedience (Gen., ii, 16-17; iii, 11; Is., i, 2-4; Jer., ii, 32); as an insult to God (Num., xxvii, 14); as something detested and punished by God (Gen., iii, 14-19, Gen., iv, 9-16); as injurious to the sinner (Tob., xii, 10); to be expiated by penance (Ps. 1, 19). In the New Testament it is clearly taught in St. Paul that sin is a transgression of the law (Rom., ii, 23; v, 12-20); a servitude from which we are liberated by grace (Rom., vi, 16-18); a disobedience (Heb., ii, 2) punished by God (Heb., x, 26-31). St. John describes sin as an offense to God, a disorder of the will (John, xii, 43), an iniquity (I John, iii, 4-10). Christ in many of his utterances teaches the nature and extent of sin. He came to promulgate a new law more perfect than the old, which would extend to the ordering not only of external but also of internal acts to a degree unknown before, and, in His Sermon on the Mount, he condemns as sinful many acts which were judged honest and righteous by the doctors and teachers of the Old Law. He denounces in a special manner hypocrisy and scandal, infidelity and the sin against the Holy Ghost. In particular he teaches that sins come from the heart (Matt., xv, 19-20).

From Catholic Answers


18 posted on 07/21/2015 5:27:52 PM PDT by ADSUM
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From the article — oops — did you read it?

**And then we need to go to confession. This is something Jesus indicated just after he rose from the dead. He came to his disciples, breathed on them, and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained” (John 20:22-23)**


19 posted on 07/21/2015 5:29:08 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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And then we need to go to confession. This is something Jesus indicated just after he rose from the dead. He came to his disciples, breathed on them, and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained” (John 20:22-23


32 posted on 07/21/2015 5:43:32 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: bramps
You asked: Exactly where in the Bible from Christ’s teachings do those words come from? Specifically mortal sin and confession.

Your questions are answered in the article. First of all, Jesus talked about people who sin going to Hell. That's what "mortal sin" IS--the kind of sin that causes people to go to Hell. So, there's "mortal sin" right there in the teaching of Jesus.

About confession:

And then we need to go to confession. This is something Jesus indicated just after he rose from the dead. He came to his disciples, breathed on them, and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained” (John 20:22-23)

So Jesus empowered his ministers to forgive or retain sins. In order for a priest to know whether he is to forgive or retain a sin, he needs to know about the sin and whether we have repented of it. That means we need to go and tell him these things, and so we have the sacrament of confession.

See? Both "mortal sin" and "confession" are contained in the teaching of Jesus.

42 posted on 07/21/2015 5:50:08 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: bramps
WRT to mortal sin:
All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal. (1Jo 5:17 RSV)
It takes two steps for confession.

(1) Forgiveness:
To the eleven, IHS said:

"Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained." (Joh 20:22-23 RSV)
(2)Now how could they know WHAT to forgive, unless they were told? Hence, confession.

I entirely get that this is not a dispositive or conclusive argument. My goal was to answer the question about verses. An argument CAN be made.

Further, what irritates me abiout this article is the ommission of the word "ordinarily." Catholic teachers acknowledge that baptism and "reconciliation" are not absolutely necessary. God can save whom he pleases. He is not restricted to the sacraments he gave us. "He is not a tame Lion."

But, personally, I would say the royal road is recourse to these sacraments.

56 posted on 07/21/2015 6:01:08 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico.)
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Some things that you don’t grasp now will become clear to you in Purgatory.


113 posted on 07/21/2015 6:35:16 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: bramps; Salvation
If you commit mortal sin...

UN-mortal ones get a free pass?

306 posted on 07/22/2015 4:00:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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