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[Salvation]

Catholic Ping!

[bramps]

If you commit mortal sin, you need to repent, have faith, and go to confession.
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Exactly where in the Bible from Christ’s teachings do those words come from? Specifically mortal sin and confession.

[Falconspeed]

Jimmy Aiken is correct. I pray every morning for an increase in Charity. Aiken gives the Bible quotes.

[caww]

...”Sometimes people make it sound like the Catholic understanding of how to get to heaven is really complex”....

As opposed to what other way?????

[LonePalm]

Directions to heaven?

Turn right, go straight.

"Ceterum censeo 0bama esse delendam."

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

[jimmyray]

John 6 (NIV)

27Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.” 28Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” 29Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

[.45 Long Colt]

And the need for baptism is shown when St. Peter flatly tells us: “Baptism now saves you” (1 Peter 3:21).

Just NO! Reading the whole verse in context is crucial, Jimmy.

“Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,” (1 Peter 3:21)

When we read that verse in the context of the whole passage we see that Peter is teaching that the fact that eight people were in an ark and went through the whole judgment, and yet were unharmed, is analogous to the Christian’s experience in salvation by being in (union with) Christ, identified with Christ our “Ark” of salvation.

The baptism Peter speaks of is not water baptism. The Greek word translated “baptism” is more specifically translated “immerse.” Noah didn’t experience Christian baptism, but was immersed in judgment though protected by the ark. Noah and his family didn’t miss the judgment—they were there—but were preserved through it. That’s what happens to believers in Christ. Peter made it especially clear he wasn’t talking about Christian baptism when he said, “Not the removal of dirt from the flesh.” He wasn’t speaking of an earthly ordinance but a spiritual reality, specifically of “an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ”.

Forgetting the rest of this piece, much more could be written and said on just this one point. Maybe someone with more time and patience will jump in.

[Iscool]

And the need for baptism is shown when St. Peter flatly tells us: “Baptism now saves you” (1 Peter 3:21).

St. Paul is very clear about the possibility of us committing mortal sin. He tells us: “Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

It is really sad that this person quotes partial verses and takes others out of context to create false doctrine...Nothing but deception...

[Colonel_Flagg]

Grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. No further explanation needed.

Bless your day.

[verga]

The usual suspects have self identified as not Christian, the best thing is to simply ignore any of their snarky comments.

[daniel1212]

Sometimes people make it sound like the Catholic understanding of how to get to heaven is really complex. It’s not. While you can go into any of Christ’s teachings in a lot of very rich detail, he made sure that this one can be understood even by a child. I can summarize it in two sentences. The two sentences are these: To come to God and be saved, you need to repent, have faith, and be baptized. If you commit mortal sin, you need to repent, have faith, and go to confession.

That is simply not true according to Catholic teaching, besides being contrary to Scripture. Catholic teaching requires the baptized to practically become good enough in order to go to Heaven (except for just after baptism, as that act is said to leave one formally justified by their "infused" holiness).

Either one cooperates with grace (such as dispensed from Rome's treasury of merit) enough so that they are not only accounted to have merited eternal life but can enter Heaven directly, or they must suffer postmortem purifying torments in Rome's (EO's differ on this somewhat) "purgatory,"

In Scripture, Peter taught that God purified hearts by faith before baptism, (Acts 10:43, 47; 15:7-9) as well as promising souls forgiveness and the Spirit if they would repent and believe (which infants, which the Spirit never manifests as being baptized, cannot and need not do), since baptism both requires and expresses faith.

Thus to confess the Lord Jesus in baptism in identification with Christ, signifies faith in Him, and thus the promise that whosoever believes and confesses/calls upon/is baptized shall be saved, (Rm. 10:9-13; Mk. 16:16; Acts 2:38) as such requires and confesses faith, which is counted for righteousness. (Rm. 4:1-7)

And since believers are forgiven on account of Christ, on His merit, and all true believers presently are “accepted in the Beloved,” and made to sit together with Christ in the heavenly, (Eph. 1:6;2:6) then whenever and wherever NT Scriptures clearly speak about the next spiritual place of man after death then it is always with the Lord. Lk. 23:43 [cf. 2Cor. 12:4; Rv. 2:7]; Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17) Note in the latter case all believers were assured that if the Lord returned, which they expected in their lifetime, so would they “ever be with the Lord.” (1Thes. 4:17) though they were still undergoing growth in grace, as was Paul. (Phil. 3;2)

And the only suffering is that of losing of rewards at the judgment seat of Christ, which awaits the Lord's coming, and this loss does not enable going to Heaven, but one is saved despite building material being burnt up. (1Co. 3:8ff) .

“Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained” (John 20:22-23)

Nothing new here, as the OT mag. had power to bind in guilt or loose one innocence. Disobedience to which was a capital crime. (Dt. 17:8-13) But which did not require or infer ensured infallibility.

So Jesus empowered his ministers to forgive or retain sins. In order for a priest to know whether he is to forgive or retain a sin, he needs to know about the sin and whether we have repented of it.

The Fact is that nowhere in the NT church was there any separate class of believers distinctively titled "priests" "hierus" GK), which word is only used for Jewish or pagan priests. Nor are they shown to engage in any distinctive sacerdotal function, or having souls come to them to confess sins and to obtain forgiveness on a regular basis, which is not what Ja., 5 teaches.

Too late tonight to get into this more.

[onedoug]

Deuteronomy 4:19 and Malachi 1:11

[P.O.E.]

...(H)e made sure that this one can be understood even by a child.

I think it's even simpler than what the author posits, but I can't put it into words. Anyway, a child would not need words in order to understand.

Thanks for the thread.

[mlizzy]

I'm sorry, Salvation. Haters gotta hate, and there will always be hate for Catholicism. Next time these "Christians" get a flat tire at midnight, though, or are felled by severe chest pain, I hope their hate doesn't stab through too much; lest they chase off a good Catholic who comes to their aid.

Jesus, please help us heal our nation. ♥

[servantboy777]

I’ve gone through and read many of the post. I’ve just got to add a few thoughts.

Jesus is sittin on His throne, looking/listening to all this and just shaking His head....they still don’t get it.

The father of lies sole goal is to divide the church, from within. He has done a great job as evidenced on this thread.

First, I’d like to say, scripture does not cover every single aspect of the human condition, I’ll explain in a bit.

All sin is detestable to an infinately Holy G_d. He is so holy, that no sin can reside in His presense.

Is there some sin that is more detestable than others? Sure there is. Just as one poster eluded to cursing a golf shot as opposed to say...homosexual behavior or divorce/remarriage or murder of an innocent.

Example: A pastor of a church counsels a young person, then grooms that young person for a period of time with the intent to sexually abuse the child. I believe scripture supports that this person, a spiritual leader in the church has committed sins that G_d has deemed as having a higher penalty than say, stealing an energy drink from a store.

This pastor sexually abused a child. This pastor abused his spiritual authority in a way as to deceive this child and perhaps continued in his ministry for years deceiving the body of Christ. I believe scripture points to an even harsher penalty for this person on the day of judgement, unless of course this pastor confesses, repents and seeks to amend his life. So, who would he confess to? First to our Almighty Father, then to his congregation, perhaps a counselor (secular or spiritual based) and or the child. Right?

Apologize for the length of this. Now, this deals with the spiritual leader than abused the child. Let’s move to the child.

The child had his/her innocense stolen. Because of this man’s sin, this child grows up wounded, dysfunctional in many areas of his/her life. To kill the pain of what happened to them, often times they will begin abusing drugs/alcohol. Many cases the child will grow up with trust issues, relationship issues, anger issues. A whole host of tragic symptoms such as self mutilation, becoming abusers themselves, depression, serial marriages/divorce brought on by the abuse as a child. This is real stuff folks.

Whether the abuse happened at the hands of a school coach, teacher, priest, pastor or family member...the child is no less wounded..then grows up as an adult, wounded.

Now, here is the question. Because satan perverted lives of humans/G_d’s created, is there no forgiveness for the abuser? Is there no forgiveness for the child/now adult for sins comitted brought on as a result of the abuse?

satan comes to steal, kill and destroy. Roams like a lion searching for those to devour. G_d knows this.

All sins are forgiven except blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. This includes divorce/remarriage. This includes perversion. This includes abusing a child. I do believe in my heart of hearts that sins against a child are particularly detestable to G_d.

We need to focus on the essentials of the Christian faith and stop arguing over who is right/wrong in regards to theological dogma...on either side, protestant/catholic.

This is a spiritual battle folks. We war against the flesh, the devil and the world. Three very formidable enemies to our spirit.

The father of LIES, has done a splendid job of dividing the faithful. G_d is more merciful than we give credit.

Thoughts y’all? Be kind and rewind. lol

[mlizzy]

"How to go to heaven," indeed! More from Pope St. Pius the X on the topic:

In his first Encyclical, he said that the motto of his pontificate would be “Instaurare Omnia in Christo” (Restore all things to Christ.) He also said “Holy Communion is the shortest and safest way to Heaven.” [emphasis; mine]

To this end, he encouraged frequent reception of Holy Communion. He also emphasized frequent recourse to the Sacrament of Penance so that Holy Communion would be received worthily. Pope X’s devotion to the Eucharist eventually earned him the honorific of “Pope of the Blessed Sacrament.”

Today, as you know, Salvation, is the Feast of St. Mary Magdalene, and our pastor selected the following reading (of the two available), the one from Song of Songs, 3:1-4 (so lovely):

On my bed at night I sought him
whom my soul loves—
I sought him but I did not find him.

“Let me rise then and go about the city,
through the streets and squares;
Let me seek him whom my soul loves.”
I sought him but I did not find him.

The watchmen found me,
as they made their rounds in the city:
“Him whom my soul loves—have you seen him?”

Hardly had I left them
when I found him whom my soul loves.

[DungeonMaster]

How does Mary fit in? It seems that the RCC requires a bit more than those two sentences.

[MarDav]

How to go to heaven? I’ll let my Lord Jesus Christ take me. He said he would and I believe Him.

What am I missing?